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Anecdotal v. Scientific!
My recent preoccupation (yes, I admit it) with the similarities between natural women and heterosexual crossdressers was triggered by an article published on the https://www.mycdlife.com website hosted by Gabrielle Hermosa. In her explanation of the myths about crossdressing (#7) she writes of her former spouse’s propensity to admire her reflection while dressed provocatively. This phenomenon should certainly ring familiar with many crossdressers because that’s kind-of-exactly what we do.
Regardless of the terminology, analysis, or fantasies involved, I’ve never once heard a CD maintain that they didn’t enjoy the thought, image, or sensation of dressing in feminine clothing. Ironically, some of the clothing that I now find appealing and satisfying is not, by most definitions, provocative at all. Skinny jeans, a tunic, and booties can look very attractive, but, in most iterations it would not generally be considered uniquely sexy.
Gabrielle’s article brought me back to behaviors I’ve identified over the years. For example, my wife, who is very attractive, has a particular view of what looks good when she makes her choice of clothing. When I compliment her choices or suggest other potential choices, it really always comes down to how she wants to look. I’m not suggesting that she sees things the same as Gabrielle’s former spouse or that she engages in any sort of self-admiration, harmless as that may be. I’m just suggesting that appreciation for the clothing or the look we choose for ourselves likely has a gender variant and/or sexual component to which it is linked.
Since feminine clothing is generally more ornamental than masculine clothing, within our Western culture it is not a stretch to understand why or how it could draw both male and female enthusiasts. Many non-CD men, regardless of their counter-assertions, select and admire all sorts of fetish attire. Those of you who “served,” can acknowledge how many guys get-off on any variety of military uniform choices. Should crossdressing be judged harshly because the choices aren’t approved for male accoutrementation?
So, why the title for this comment? Because I’ve read Blanchard, Lawrence, Moser, et all, and none of their studies confirm or effectively refute the similarities between mildly-sexualized, but otherwise normal, females and heterosexual crossdressers. The surveys (questionnaires), I believe, are far too random and skirt (no pun) the genuine components of eroticism they are trying to identify. Perhaps this is not one for science unless someone is trying to fulfill an academic publication expectation. Perhaps, instead, the anecdotal documentation and admissions by actual women are what we really need if our objective is to understand the attraction of feminine clothing among cis women, transgendered women, and crossdressers alike. Thank you, Gabrielle!
OK, I was doing fine up to the point where you said, "Those of you who “served,” can acknowledge how many guys get-off on any variety of military uniform choices."
I cannot speak for Army or Air Force types, since I served 22 years active duty in the US Navy. Speaking from personal experience, on board a US Naval vessel, an enlisted person is allocated such little personal living and storage space that the words, "variety of military uniform choices" at first blush sounds hilarious.
Basically, my "uniform choices" were wear one, store one, and wash one. Sailors are not permitted to have civilian clothing on board ships, since there is no room to stow them, although I have heard the "new" Navy permits this luxury.
Cross dressing? Glad you asked. That was a rare event for me, relegated to shore duty assignments, while I was on annual leave, and after I was married and assigned married shore quarters.
It’s only my personal opinion, but I’m sure my observations are relatively common. Lot’s of those is some military branches are quite fastidious and precise about their uniforms - myself included when I served at Fort Polk, LA headquarters. For example, khaki, class B, perfectly starched, medal/ribbons perfectly aligned, brass gleaming, and shoes like (or actually) patent leather. They had to be deliberate to look just right. But, if you did it right, the “Brass” would overlook lots of other potential infractions. It may not have been your experience, but when I was on AWOL detail, I observed Shore Patrol guys who looked pretty put-together.
It’s only my personal opinion, but I’m sure my observations are relatively common. Lot’s of those is some military branches are quite fastidious and precise about their uniforms - myself included when I served at Fort Polk, LA headquarters. For example, khaki, class B, perfectly starched, medal/ribbons perfectly aligned, brass gleaming, and shoes like (or actually) patent leather. They had to be deliberate to look just right. But, if you did it right, the “Brass” would overlook lots of other potential infractions. It may not have been your experience, but when I was on AWOL detail, I observed Shore Patrol guys who looked pretty put-together.
OK, I was doing fine up to the point where you said, "Those of you who “served,” can acknowledge how many guys get-off on any variety of military uniform choices."
I cannot speak for Army or Air Force types, since I served 22 years active duty in the US Navy. Speaking from personal experience, on board a US Naval vessel, an enlisted person is allocated such little personal living and storage space that the words, "variety of military uniform choices" at first blush sounds hilarious.
Basically, my "uniform choices" were wear one, store one, and wash one. Sailors are not permitted to have civilian clothing on board ships, since there is no room to stow them, although I have heard the "new" Navy permits this luxury.
Cross dressing? Glad you asked. That was a rare event for me, relegated to shore duty assignments, while I was on annual leave, and after I was married and assigned married shore quarters.
I am intrigued by your recent preoccupation with the similarities between cis women and crossdressers. So am I, and have been making notes for some time about whether or not there is any substantial difference, other than nurture (excluding the nature part(s). I am talking about those who identify as Transgender rather than as "vanilla" crossdressers.
It came about because I read a post that asserted that a TG couldn't possibly know what it's like to be a real woman. I agree, not 100% no... but leaving aside the anatomical and sexual - I am convinced that those of us who identify as Transgender (whether transitioned or not) are essentially the same - humans with different reproductive organs, but otherwise the same animal. After all we were all females for the first 7 weeks or so of our existence, and the default pathway for Humans is female.
Have you posted anything about your preoccupation?
I am intrigued by your recent preoccupation with the similarities between cis women and crossdressers. So am I, and have been making notes for some time about whether or not there is any substantial difference, other than nurture (excluding the nature part(s). I am talking about those who identify as Transgender rather than as "vanilla" crossdressers.
It came about because I read a post that asserted that a TG couldn't possibly know what it's like to be a real woman. I agree, not 100% no... but leaving aside the anatomical and sexual - I am convinced that those of us who identify as Transgender (whether transitioned or not) are essentially the same - humans with different reproductive organs, but otherwise the same animal. After all we were all females for the first 7 weeks or so of our existence, and the default pathway for Humans is female.
Have you posted anything about your preoccupation?
Female Airmen in flight suits...breathtaking...
Female Airmen in flight suits...breathtaking...
Maybe this fits into the discussion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestic_fetishism?wprov=sfla1
Fetishism is always a consideration in any CD discussion. This used to trouble me, when some suggest mental illness. But, the elements of “impediments to normal lifestyle behaviors” seems to separate obsession from propensity!
FAM
Fetishism is always a consideration in any CD discussion. This used to trouble me, when some suggest mental illness. But, the elements of “impediments to normal lifestyle behaviors” seems to separate obsession from propensity!
FAM
Maybe this fits into the discussion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestic_fetishism?wprov=sfla1
A great discussion about what is intriguing and luring of female Garments. On the aesthetic value I was always jealous of the pretty patterns and intricacies of bras garter belts nylon hose etc. After marriage and my wife finding out——we had a huge discussion of why I like to cross stress. I said it connected me with what it would be like to be a woman. So after a hard day at work I would dress up and relax usually watching television. Occasionally I would go out with other transgendered folks to eat dinner or whatever. Soon my wife began criticizing me saying if I wanted to know what it is to be a woman I should wash the dishes do the laundry clean the house take less pay or work experience menstruation and always be criticized for my appearance hairstyles etc. I began to delve deeper into the meaning of being a woman. I learned I needed to be more Compassionate and listen rather than dominate conversations. Yes ciswomen do have a lot of things to put up with patriarchal society. Sadly I have talk to a lot of women who are married to transgendered husbands, and the women often do not seem to have the same sexualized emotional connection to when they are dressed. They look at it as garmentd which exude fashion and being different from the next woman.
A great discussion about what is intriguing and luring of female Garments. On the aesthetic value I was always jealous of the pretty patterns and intricacies of bras garter belts nylon hose etc. After marriage and my wife finding out——we had a huge discussion of why I like to cross stress. I said it connected me with what it would be like to be a woman. So after a hard day at work I would dress up and relax usually watching television. Occasionally I would go out with other transgendered folks to eat dinner or whatever. Soon my wife began criticizing me saying if I wanted to know what it is to be a woman I should wash the dishes do the laundry clean the house take less pay or work experience menstruation and always be criticized for my appearance hairstyles etc. I began to delve deeper into the meaning of being a woman. I learned I needed to be more Compassionate and listen rather than dominate conversations. Yes ciswomen do have a lot of things to put up with patriarchal society. Sadly I have talk to a lot of women who are married to transgendered husbands, and the women often do not seem to have the same sexualized emotional connection to when they are dressed. They look at it as garmentd which exude fashion and being different from the next woman.
I'm confused about one point and that is what does the sexual orientation of a cross dresser have to do with it?
I'm confused about one point and that is what does the sexual orientation of a cross dresser have to do with it?
What "looks good" in somewhat ineffable and has some kind of "visceral" validation. There's cases where what's "off" is easily identifiable, but other cases where it is pure feeling. Nowadays, I do tend to trust my instincts, but I also overthink things.
What "looks good" in somewhat ineffable and has some kind of "visceral" validation. There's cases where what's "off" is easily identifiable, but other cases where it is pure feeling. Nowadays, I do tend to trust my instincts, but I also overthink things.
