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Hi Everyone. This post is intended to give a preview from the perspective of society.
In my previous post, i was asking how anyone could know if a Female to Male Crossdresser would be noticed in the sense that Females already have the oppurtunity to dress as Men without question. This of course raised a debate because i wasnt really looking at the whole picture.
As one of Two of you have already mentioned, if Men dress as Females it gets noticed more assuming they wouldnt 'pass' in public. I dont want to raise a Male/Female war so i am going to tread carefully!
Historically Females were always treated as second class citizens. A hundred years ago or so, women were not allowed to vote in the uk, go to cricket matches or pubs. There was also a huge pay gap too. This of course was extremely unfair and i for one disagreed with it totally. Everyone in my eyes has equal rights.
From the late 60s it became common for women to start wearing pants, nothing was said. It progressed further to other items of Male dominated clothing and again nothing was said. Women were finally having their say (quite rightly so). I am talking about straight Females here, not Cross dressers by the way.
I was told a story a few years ago, it could have been here at CDH but i cant remember and it was said that society makes the rules.
We went on to discuss how society views us as a Gender. Females were always considered the weaker sex and Males were the hunter gatherers, masculine and strong. This of course is a very outdated view but it might have had some truth in it a hundred years ago and longer. It was discussed that if a Man wears a dress for instance, society views him as lowering his social status whereas if a female 'dresses up' she is highering her social status. By dressing up, i mean wearing Male clothing.
So where does this leave us? personally i think its poppycock, outdated and certainly not how society views it? or is it? it is true to say that there is a section of our society that wont budge and move with more modern times, preferring to rest on their laurels and follow other dim witted views. In some sense, it feels like Women have moved on but Men have not, by this statement i am assuming that most of societies problems are coming from other Men and not Women, apart of course from Wives finding out about your cross dressing but thats an entirely different topic altogether.
I feel that in the 21st century, i shouldnt have to sit here, wearing my fingers out and even touching on this subject. Society must move with the times. I have upmost respect for Women as i do Men, i have respect for everyone. As long as it is not causing harm to anyone then let people do their own thing. I feel things are very slowly moving forward but not quick enough in some areas!!
I just know i am going to have a large debate about what i have just posted but like my other posts, its up for discussion and new ideas, that is what the forums are all about!! Have your say!! Am i talking rubbish? Do you agree? I look forward to your replies......
Love Fiona xx
I think the world can be a bigger place when viewed from a nonbinary perspective.
- R
Hi Fiona, well, I feel pretty much the same way as you about all this. A slight difference is that my personal take on it is that part of the reason women have gained some equality is that as women have wanted to or more so have had to by circumstances join the workforce, so society has been more accepting of women in roles that were formerly understood to be male alone which has allowed more women to dress non-gender-ly (A side note, there were ruling queens in history in many civilized societies, but practically all of them had strictly male advisers, where were any designated female advisers to the queen...or even king, I wonder?).
However, I'm not sure society 'moves on' in a linear way, more likely it lurches here and there, hither and yon, and sometimes stumbles in what is almost a backward direction. I see the makings of that in various nations around the globe today.
Because many workforces today need women, and too often historical women's clothing hasn't been conducive, I think the standardization of formerly male attire on women will remain, but there may be periods of movement back a little.
I'm just not sure female attire on males, for whatever reason, will be generally accommodated or accepted at least in my lifetime.
Hugs, ChloëC
I speak as a straight male to female crossdresser. I'm happily married. And I protect my marriage at all costs. (So that means I keep personal boundaries.)
Tolerance and acceptance are one side of a coin. The other side is "agreement." Far too often we want people to totally accept, tolerate, and agree / like our choices.
YET. We all so often want to reserve the right to be intolerant, unaccepting, and disagree with others "intolerant," views.
I have often said that my wife and I have different hobbies that bore the other. And in society there are a variety of things that simply bore me to death. I have no interest in it. Tennis. Cricket. Swimming. Train spotting. Stamp collecting. (Yaaawwwwwnnn) But if your into those things good luck to you. Don't expect me to get involved and like it.
I'm not gay. I'm not bi. The thought of it repulses me. If that ticks your boat, all the best to you. I won't get involved. I like Cis gendered women, but wont get emotionally nor sexually involved with any, apart from my wife. (My marriage and my wife is important to me.)
I think we gotta over ourselves, expecting everyone to like what we do. And agree with what we do.
If you want to dress in a certain way... go for it. That is your
choice. If it causes a reaction thats ok. We need to give people freedom to do so.
Its my experience and observation that if your comfortable in your skin, others will be comfortable around you. If your uncomfortable in your skin, you make others uncomfortable around you.
No debate here from me, no it’s not rubbish! It’s a very well thought neutral philosophical post that you did. Let others mix it up, but I don’t think there will be a need to
The first female surgeon was Margaret Bulkley in 1813. She presented as a male called Dr James Barry to gain her qualifications and it was only at her death the truth was discovered. Was she a crossdresser, trans and did any of her colleagues know. There are many examples in history of women masquerading as men which may have not raised the furore as if a man dressed as a woman . Remember the bond girl Tula who had transitioned and was outed? It ruined her career. Crossdressing males have always attracted more attention and usually in the negative.
Although society has moved forward and is more acceptable it is a frail acceptance as any negative press or events, such as the trans/womens rights debate here could have negative effects.
