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Feminizing Our Voices Out & About - Share Your Thoughts!

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(@jasz)
Eminent Member     London, London, United Kingdom
Joined: 1 month ago

Hey everyone! 👋

So, I wanted to chat about something that's been on my mind: feminizing our voices when we're out and about. It's a real struggle for me 'cause I've got this deep voice that just doesn't want to cooperate! 😅 I've tried practicing a bit, but it feels like a marathon, not a sprint.

Honestly, it kinda kills my confidence when I'm in public, and I end up avoiding talking to people altogether. Even just ordering a coffee can feel like a big deal! 😬

What are your thoughts on this? Do any of you face the same thing, and if so, how do you handle it? I'm kinda thinking voice training is the only way to go, so if anyone has any tips or knows some good resources, please spill the tea! ☕ Thanks! 😊

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Lady
(@jillleanne)
Joined: 2 years ago

Prominent Member     Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 635

@jasz I once spent a lot of time on this one. Now I just raise my time a little higher and softer and that’s it. If anyone I meet can tell, they don’t say anything. One thing a learned is to end a sentence as a question. Why do women do this? I also speak slower.

 

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Lady
(@jillleanne)
Joined: 2 years ago

Prominent Member     Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 635

Can’t find edit, so, it should read, …..raise my tone………

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Lady
(@jasz)
Joined: 1 month ago

Eminent Member     London, London, United Kingdom
Posts: 10

@jillleanne In my case, I do the same and I think others catch it (but don't say anything) when I do that.

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Managing Ambassador
(@alexina)
Joined: 1 year ago

Illustrious Member     Fife, United Kingdom
Posts: 2709

@jillleanne 

Hi, Jill.

Once posted, you can find the edit function along to the right of the reply button. It looks like a small square box with a pen.

Hope this helps.

Allie x

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Lady
(@jillleanne)
Joined: 2 years ago

Prominent Member     Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 635

@alexina Thank you Allie.

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Lady
(@jillleanne)
Joined: 2 years ago

Prominent Member     Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 635

@alexina lol I see it next to the headphones. Kinda looks like a speck of something. Lol

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Baroness
(@river)
Joined: 1 year ago

Noble Member     New Hampshire, United States of America
Posts: 1002

@jasz When I try I fail but often just talking to my dogs I notice I sound feminine but later I try deliberately and fail. uggh. same singing if I'm singing along I do pretty well but then when I try alone nope..  sorry  ot much advise there. Cheers RC

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(@alexina)
Joined: 1 year ago

Illustrious Member     Fife, United Kingdom
Posts: 2709

@jasz 

Hi, Jasmine, from your profile pic, it looks like you have a good chance of passing while out and about. I don't so I don't bother trying to change my deep, Scottish voice. I'll echo what others have said, it's more about owning your presentation and portraying confidence (even if you don't always feel it so much).

It hasn't happened yet, but if I'm ever challenged, I'll just be honest and say, "Yes, I'm on the trans spectrum". 

Don't know if this helps but it is another option.

Allie x

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Lady
(@sashabennett)
Joined: 1 year ago

Noble Member     Wick, Caithness, United Kingdom
Posts: 889

@jasz You hit the nail on the head there when you said "it feels like a marathon not a sprint" That's because it is. You have had your natural voice your whole life & it is well practised so it is no surprise that it takes time to change it. Mine sounds like I could do the bass lines for a barber shop quartet or ads for action movies & when I try raising it things just sound forced. If you can find / afford a voice training coach it will definitely help. Even professional singers use coaching so that would be the best option. Failing that, search for Seattle voice lab on youtube, I have heard good things about them. Good luck & stick at it, results will come.

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Lady
(@jasz)
Joined: 1 month ago

Eminent Member     London, London, United Kingdom
Posts: 10

@sashabennett yes, I am planning for a voice coach. Thanks for sharing about seattle voice lab, I will have a look.

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Lady
(@cherylt)
Joined: 10 months ago

Noble Member     Honesdale, Pennsylvania, United States of America
Posts: 683

@jasz It is a marathon. It won't happen in a day or a week. 

Yes, it's a bummer when you look so pretty, feel so feminine and then you speak and go "what was That?". Funny, but it always reminds me of the old TV show Mr. Ed about a talking horse. It's the same reaction to our voice that they had when they'd hear a horse talk. It's WTF?

Like anything else you wish to be good at you must practice, practice, practice. 

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Ambassador
(@gafran)
Joined: 12 months ago

Famed Member     Warner Robins, Georgia, United States of America
Posts: 1712

@jasz 

 One mistake is speaking so soft nobody can hear you. Another is talking like a Valley Girl. 

 I just speak in measured tones. Female verbiage is also different. The same with hand gestures and body movements. Walking etc. 

 Fran 🥰 

 

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Lady
(@raven188)
Joined: 6 years ago

Prominent Member     Idaho, United States of America
Posts: 518

@jasz 

Well, I figure that since I don't pass visually, there's no point in trying to change my voice. I find the more confident and natural I act, the less people seem to care. Just act like dressing up is totally normal and not in the least bit unusual, and people seem to react the same. I've tried altering my voice in private, but it always sounds weird. Personally, I think it's better for me to just own being a "man in a dress."

I know that a few ladies here have talked about voice lessons and that sort of thing. Whatever path you decide on, a lot of it comes down to time and practice. Whether it's practice with changing your voice, or practice being confident.

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(@lizk)
Illustrious Member     North County San Diego, California, United States of America
Joined: 6 years ago

I'm trans.  My male voice is a source of dysphoria.  Having a more feminine voice is a priority.

I've been working with a very good voice therapist for the better part of a year, and it has helped significantly.  When my voice is 'on', I'm pretty happy with the way I sound.  More on that in a bit.

My voice is not perfect by any measure.  But it's much closer to what I'm aiming for. 

I started out with a fairly deep male voice.  In almost a year, I've raised my base frequency from 120 Hz to 160 Hz.  160 Hz is considered the 'low end' of the female range.

However, pitch is only part of the equation.  Resonance is equally important, if not more so.  Manipulating resonance is a highly complex skill to learn.  There is also intonation (emphasis or deemphasis on certain syllables), breathing technique, throat muscle control, volume control, and diction.

I mentioned earlier about when my voice is 'on'.  That has been the single biggest challenge.  My voice therapist tells me that many patients struggle with the mental aspect of using their preferred voice.  Essentially, you've been conditioned to speak in a male voice for decades, and it's difficult to turn that off.  Social situations exacerbate the challenge.  When you are talking to someone you've known since before you started transitioning/changing your voice, it's second nature to revert to your guy voice.  It takes conscious effort to consistently use your feminine voice.  With practice, it eventually becomes your new 'second nature'.

Without a doubt, changing your voice is a marathon.  Many patients need several years of therapy.  That said, even a few months can provide meaningful improvements.

Liz xx

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Lady
(@jasz)
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Eminent Member     London, London, United Kingdom
Posts: 10

@lizk Thanks for sharing your experience and It's really insightful to hear about your progress and the challenges, especially the mental aspect and consistency. A year of work and getting into the female range is amazing!
As a cross who started going out recently, I wonder what would be my natural tone of response if someone addresses me unexpectedly. It would be my male voice definitely😆

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Lady
(@mary)
Noble Member     Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Joined: 5 years ago

My voice is a deep, croaky, loud farmers voice. One that has decades of learning to yell authoritively at recalcitrant working dogs. 

Some of the videos and advice I have seen are the breathy / wheezy / whispery concoctions which I find very annoying. And off putting. (Hey  just stating how I feel about it.) 

After watching BGT, AGT, and the variety of other versions such as The Voice. I have discovered that voices come in all varieties.  And many sis woman have deep voices. And many men have naturally high voices. (Some guys are so high i think they have a vice on their neither regions.) 

 

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Lady
(@jasz)
Joined: 1 month ago

Eminent Member     London, London, United Kingdom
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@mary I can imagine your voice and I feel the same about those voice training videos. They always start with theory and its a big turn off for me.

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Editor
(@rebeccabaxter)
    Cornwall, United Kingdom
Joined: 1 year ago

There are many women with low voices but (with a few exceptions, my fog-horn neighbour being one) they still mostly look like women without effort. It's like all things cross-dressing, to appear to be a woman we have try to be better than a woman. We can raise our voices but it is but a part of presenting as female.

As Liz says, a big problem men have is the resonance in the chest—there is quite a chasm in there for the sound to bounce around. Controlling the resonance is a big part of hiding the male voice which is why the breathy thing that Peta doesn't like is one of the few aids we have.

I try to let a little bit of breath out of my nose as I speak. Too much and you start to sound like an exaggerated Marilyn Monroe, too little and you sound as if there's a strangled duck trying to get out of your chest.

It's all a compromise when you are trying to be someone you're not.

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Lady
(@jasz)
Joined: 1 month ago

Eminent Member     London, London, United Kingdom
Posts: 10

@rebeccabaxter My sister has a low voice, more like female version of my voice but as you said for women it goes unnoticed as they look like women without effort. I try to use it as reference for my voice training and if I can achieve it that would be enough for me. Thanks for sharing it.

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Lady
(@jjandme)
Famed Member     California, United States of America
Joined: 6 years ago

I have too deep a voice to easily change it, so I don't worry about it. I do try and speak with a quiet voice, but that is about it for changes. I do not go out of my way to talk, but I do not avoid conversation either. The way I figure it, up close I do not pass well anyway, so if I am within ear shot of somebody, they already know. Too be honest, nobody cares. Even people who have seen me at a distance, and I may pass, certainly know when up close and I have had some nice conversations. People just take it in stride. If somebody doesn't want to talk to me because I am en femme, that is their choice, but it just has not been an issue.

For those who do want to femininze their voice, please do, and I hope it goes well, but for most of us I do not feel it is a big deal.

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Lady
(@jasz)
Joined: 1 month ago

Eminent Member     London, London, United Kingdom
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@jjandme That's a really interesting perspective, and it's good to hear that you've had positive experiences focusing on being yourself. It definitely takes some of the pressure off to know that many people are accepting and that voice isn't always the defining factor. Thanks for sharing your experience! It's a helpful reminder that everyone's journey and comfort level with presentation is different. 😊

 
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Duchess
(@alison-anderson)
Famed Member     Middlesex county, New Jersey, United States of America
Joined: 7 years ago

I've had a voice coach come to group meetings. There isn't a lot you can do in a single session but there is still a lot to learn.

For the short conversations you might have with a cashier, I find the following works well.

First, from my normal speaking tone, I go up half an octave. For those not musical, take the pitch you do your flat talking on, and use it as a base note and sing do-re-mi-fa-sol. This is the pitch I will talk at en femme. It's not so high that it sounds falsetto, and there is enough range if I want to change the pitch from there.

Second, as a male, my throat tends to buzz. If you open your throat (like they tell singers to do) the buzz just about goes away. The higher note makes this easier two.

Third, as @lizk says, resonance is more important than pitch. Resonance is about how the sound bounces around inside you before coming out your mouth, and about the higher frequency overtones. If a man and a woman sing something at the exact same pitch, you can tell which is the man's voice and which is the woman's, even though the pitch is the same. This is because of resonance.

A man tends to have a larger space in his head. The voice sounds bolder, bigger. A woman tends to have a smaller space, and it sounds more petite. But to paraphrase T'Pau, "The space is the space. What can be done?"

Some people say to talk softer. The probelm with that is when you can't be heard and have to raise your voice, the masculine will come back immediately. If you talk too soft into a drivetrhough window, then raise it, you're going to sound like a man. So the talk soft, whisper, wheeze techniquues are not the best.

As I taught @rebeccabaxter, you do have a smaller space, and that's your nasal cavities. It requires a certain amount of practice, but you should push about half to 2/3 of the air into the nasal cavity. Your voice will sound smaller because the nasal cavity is smaller than the oral cavity. And youi can still get volume without reverting to a masculine voice.

There are more advanced techniques you can work on if you get the hang of these basics. Men tend to talk staccato, a sharp break between each word; women talk legato (literally tied together), smooth and continuous, elongated vowels. Women talk clearly, men tend to slur words. Women will emphasize words by change of pitch, men by change of volume. Women tend to talk more with thei hands. There's also word choice. A woman might say in a restaurant "I'd like ..." (polite) where a man will almost always say "I want ..." (more of a command). Women will talk about and around a subject, men tend to "problem solve." I'm sure there are many more.

But I'd stick to the first three (slightly higher pitch, open the throat, nasal resonance) for starters. These will get you through the quick short conversations you need when in a store.

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Lady
(@jasz)
Joined: 1 month ago

Eminent Member     London, London, United Kingdom
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@alison-anderson This is incredibly helpful advice! Thank you so much for breaking down those techniques for quick, everyday interactions. The half-octave tip, opening the throat, and focusing on nasal resonance all make a lot of sense and sound like practical starting points. It's also really interesting to hear about the differences in speaking styles beyond just pitch. I'll definitely be focusing on these three basics when I'm out next. Really appreciate you sharing this! 😊

 
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Editor
(@rebeccabaxter)
    Cornwall, United Kingdom
Joined: 1 year ago

Alison is right. Since following her advice from some months ago, I don't have to really bother about my voice much any more as it is as good as it's ever going to be. Having got the best voice I'll ever manage, I try to concentrate on other things: eye contact, hand gestures, being animated. Close up, people will know I'm not female anyway, therefore the ideal for me is to just try to put over a feminine persona so that the person I'm talking to doesn't feel uncomfortable. I try to make it easier for them to think of me as a woman even though I'm not one and they know that.

It's all a question of distraction, diversion and obfuscation. You'd think a black and white zebra in field of dust would be quite obvious, but all that stripiness serves to fool the lion, just as your voice, hair, makeup, jewellery, perfume, clothing, walk and mannerisms all combine to fool the public (up to a point).

Seems it might be easier to wear a zebra outfit, I suppose, but that wouldn't be as much fun...and we don't have that many lions round here.

Above all these things, try to be confident; that's a biggie.

Becca

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