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Flying En Femme

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(@valentina16)
Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Joined: 4 weeks ago

No, I didn’t mean on a broomstick. Though that could be a fantasy I suppose! 

I meant travelling through airport security controls.

Being largely a timid and slightly concealed ‘under dresser’, the prospect of seeing my 46c bra and forms on that security x-ray image would be perhaps embarrassing. Even suspender (garter) clips causing the metal scanner to go peep-peep-peep or whatever it might do, might be a tad reddening. Especially to other passengers no doubt looking on, intrigued.

I have never tried to go through the scanner to see, though I did try to research TSA guidelines a few years back. I resorted to popping my en femme wardrobe (including my puppy forms, protected in trainer socks) in my tiny suitcase, only to find their scanner instantly picked up the forms in all their glory despite being ‘nestled away’. Challenged, “What are these?!”, I decided to risk the rubber glove in solitary and stood my ground. “They’re breast inserts. Forms.” Meeting still a furrowed questioning look, I offered perhaps the more accessible “Boobies!!” in a definitely louder and slightly defiant knight-takes-bishop voice. I saw the whirr-whirr brain cell cogitation and was resigning myself to them being confiscated, barrelled over amidst the highest security cortège to a remote compound and duly blown up, executed. My basque (also nestled ‘innocently’ between my man-shirts) would simply have to be filled with socks while away for my vacation week on the Greek island. Not my preferred choice by any means. The rook stayed calmly protecting the king, her look softened, I was allowed to stuff them back unceremoniously in my valise. I moved on swiftly, heart slightly pumping but defiant and determined, somehow morally secure.

I always check my bag now, still wondering whether they cause any raised eyebrows behind the scenes. They haven’t as yet. But it’s all part of the secret world of an ‘under cover’ agent.

How do you travel-fly?

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Duchess Annual
(@robertaf)
Joined: 5 years ago

Noble Member     Louisiana, United States of America
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@valentina16 I just wear mine when I fly but I’m fully dressed too.

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(@valentina16)
Joined: 4 weeks ago

Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
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@robertaf no hesitation through the body scanners?

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(@robertaf)
Joined: 5 years ago

Noble Member     Louisiana, United States of America
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@valentina16 i didn’t realize this was question. I have none at all. I once forgot about a necklace I had on. It tripped the alarm on both passes, before I realized what it was. I was moved to the side and had to wait for a female to come to a full body pat down. I was hoping she might compliment me on something, like my boobs but not happening. 
haveing global entry allows you to utilize face recognition at Imigration. That makes thing easier too.

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(@katiep)
Joined: 3 months ago

Reputable Member     Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 142

@valentina16 a question I've asked myself many times as well. I used to travel extensively to the Middle East for work perhaps spending 2-3 weeks away at a time. I never did pack any Katie items for the simple fact nearly all my destinations on entry and exit there was a compulsory bag search and I always used carry on. Also not sure how tolerant some destinations would have been.

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(@valentina16)
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Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
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@katiep I can imagine intolerance would be met quite easily in some countries. 💚

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(@katiep)
Joined: 3 months ago

Reputable Member     Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 142

@valentina16 and in some of the countries women still wore coveralls, didn't want to put myself in position that it may have been viewed as insulting to anyone.

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(@valentina16)
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Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
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@katiep verrry wise, I’m thinking. 💚

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(@robertaf)
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Noble Member     Louisiana, United States of America
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@katiep I can give a valid answere to that, since I don’t know. Al I can tell you TSA and other security are only looking for bad guys. They really don’t care how you are dressed

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(@valentina16)
Joined: 4 weeks ago

Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
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@robertaf You would hope so. It would seem the woman security officer deliberately holding a CD’s corselette aloft for all in line to see (mentioned elsewhere here) hadn’t been on the diversity awareness course. 😔

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Lady
(@evanavflames)
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Active Member     Tampa, Florida, United States of America
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@valentina16 

I'm not as brave as you LMFAO. I just wear my short shorts and a tank top when traveling.

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(@valentina16)
Joined: 4 weeks ago

Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
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@evanavflames ‘twas only the once. And I have never gone out as fully femme, just middle of the road slightly feminine. So not that brave 😔

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(@evanavflames)
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Active Member     Tampa, Florida, United States of America
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@valentina16 

I stopped caring about who makes a comment about my booty in public. I lust laugh at it now.

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Lady
(@joannajoy)
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Reputable Member     British Columbia, Canada
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@valentina16 I travelled  for work related training , I was  be gone 14 days . I had my corset in my carryon bag, and some spare panties, and a nighty.  I planned to lace up after clearing security. The lady from security who searched my bag after shyly  asked about my corset, then whipped it out for all to see!!  It has steel bones through out, it’s a beautiful gunmetal grey satin corset. It was very awkward for a few minutes, luckily nobody in line new me… I never laced up on that flight.

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(@valentina16)
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Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
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@joannajoy That was quite cruel. 😔

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Baroness
(@dianas1960)
Reputable Member     South Central, Indiana, United States of America
Joined: 9 years ago

I have flown dozens of times in the US.  Not sure how different it is in the UK.  I experienced the same issue when I packed my forms in the carry on suitcase.  I also had to go to an embarrassing room when I was under-dressing with a corset in drab that also tripped the scanner.

However my experiences while dressed are completely different.  I do avoid any metal in my shapewear and would recommend not wearing metal garters.  I dress with silicone forms and Dresstech silicone hip pads.  The only issues I have had was a few times they patted my shoulders I assume to verify I was wearing a bra.  I did have an issue one time when they were allowing shoes through the metal scanner and the metal support in my heals tripped it.  I had to step back and put the heals on the belt.

It is a scary experience feeling like you are trapped the first few times as there is no running back to the car.  After a few times though the experience is great and I fly enfemme as often as the opportunity presents it self. 

I did write an article about my experiences. https://www.crossdresserheaven.com/flying-pretty/

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(@valentina16)
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Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
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@dianas1960 thanks for the insight Diana 💚

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(@melodeescarlet)
Famed Member     DC/Baltimore, Maryland, United States of America
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@valentina16 I've only done it once, admittedly mostly just to see what would happen.

It was a non-issue. Nobody cared, nobody stared, I was not in the slightest way hindered or questioned. Apart from one very keen-eyed young woman with excellent taste who told me I looked amazing, it was no different than flying in guy-mode. 🙂

Airport → https://www.crossdresserheaven.com/photo/airport-travel/

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(@valentina16)
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Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
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@melodeescarlet TY for sharing 💚

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(@mirandam)
Estimable Member     Bay Area, California, United States of America
Joined: 3 months ago

That’s fascinating - if you show up at the TSA station dressed female but present a male ID I would have thought they might give you grief.

 

then again i panicked just showing my ID to get into a night club for a performance.  Thankfully the lady at the door didn’t bat an eye when I assure her that was me in the photo 🤗

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Baroness
(@dianas1960)
Joined: 9 years ago

Reputable Member     South Central, Indiana, United States of America
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@mirandam I have never had an issue at the ID station.  They do look a bit closer though.  Never a comment was made.

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(@jjandme)
Famed Member     California, United States of America
Joined: 5 years ago

TSA only cares about security for the airport and flights. They do not care what we wear as long as it does not affect their mission. They are trained to deal with trans/CD travelers. You may get the occasional jerk who holds up a corset for others to see, but they are trained not to. Not that we are likely to complain, but such behavoir would get a repremand of some sort if we did.

Most other countries seem to do the same. As an example, I was passing through TSA wearing a bra that showed up on a scan. It was little squares at the clap and underwire, very generic. I got a quick pat down by a trainee and he was a bit fluxomed by his findings. I simply said I am wearing a bra and the senior trainer said thank and have a nice flight. No doubt he then went on to explain to the trainee that some men wear bras.

There is nothing wrong with wearing en femme items fully or partially, or having such things in your carry on, but they may cause an inquitery or inspection. Nothing will come of it, but if you will be embarssed best not to travel as such. I have never flown fully en femme, but have traveled a lot undressed and with fun things in my bag, and never had an issue other then saying, yes I am wearing a bra. I have had my carry on searched many times for other, including just random searches, many times and never an issue with what is inside.

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(@bobbib)
Active Member     Brashear, Texas, United States of America
Joined: 7 months ago

I’ve gone thru TSA lines several times in the past wearing panties and a pad, never been searched for that, usually a sweaty area from carrying my backpack. I’ve looked on the scanner screens and the pad does not show

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(@nataliecd)
Estimable Member     Minnesota, United States of America
Joined: 2 years ago

Thank you all for the recounts of your experiences and the reassurances. This is something I want to do at some point so knowing it shouldn't be a big deal (and providing tips on how to make it less of an issue) is really great to read.

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(@valentina16)
Joined: 4 weeks ago

Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
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@nataliecd Hope it goes well for you. Let us know? Reading through everyone’s experiences, whilst there are many instances of it being a non-issue (great!) there seem to be a few pickled peppers of people (try saying that after a glass or two!) who are either a bit mean or haven’t read their diversity manual sufficiently who give you grief, and then it is a matter of how robust you are to fend it off. Laughter appears to be quite disarming. So, are you 🎶 “going to Barbados, off to the palm trees?! 🎶

☺️

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Lady
(@nataliecd)
Joined: 2 years ago

Estimable Member     Minnesota, United States of America
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@valentina16 If I ever do it, you can bet I will write an article about it!

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(@jjandme)
Famed Member     California, United States of America
Joined: 5 years ago

As I said, the TSA doesn't care, nor do the other passengers standing in line. Everyvody just wants to have a safe flight. Even if a mean agent holds up a bra or corset, just laugh and move on as you will never see any of them again. The only real concern is if you are traveling with somebody that you would rather them not know about your passion.

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(@margprodue)
Noble Member     Madison, Wisconsin, United States of America
Joined: 3 years ago

Hi Valentina,  This was just mentioned at TGH and here's part of my response from there....  Just go and state whatever sex is listed on your documents as you and correct.  I proudly and loudly announce to the TSA folks that I'm intersex and fly dressed as a woman while my documents still list me as M.  I'm always flagged. They usually talk to me for 10 seconds and want to touch my upper body and then send me on my way. I wouldn't say anything to them unless you're flagged in the machine and given a pat-down.  Go with pride and a sense of adventure.  I always wear a body clinging stretchy top that they can pat through or I can just pull part way up for them if they really want to know what's underneath (they only pat my super model non-male top, which is about half of the time).  There's not much to see on my skinny bottom so they leave that alone. The machines just can't figure out what to do with some of our bodies. If they complain about gel filled forms just refer to them as a prosthesis and that way they should be allowed.  If you put forms in carry on they can technically refuse them since they are a gel.  If you really don't want a problem then just put your forms in stowed luggage (not carry on).  Remember they can't really afford to back the lines up or have people miss planes.  Be calm and polite and you should be ok.  Safe Journey,  Marg

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(@valentina16)
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Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
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@margprodue Thank you. I am sure this is sound advice. Not just for me of course. Thank you x

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(@dovemtn2016)
Joined: 1 year ago

Honorable Member     Tucson, Arizona, United States of America
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@margprodue Hi Marg, I brought forms with me in a carry on, and had no problems.

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Lady
(@margprodue)
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Noble Member     Madison, Wisconsin, United States of America
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@dovemtn2016   Hi Christine, 2 years ago I brought small forms in a $15 K costume that I was transporting to Las Vegas (I'm a costumer) in my carry-on only to to be refused through TSA because they were gel over the ounce limit (and these were very small gel forms).  It was settled after 10 minutes by ripping out the forms right at the counter and tossing them into the bin with the confiscated forks, and pocket knives etc.  When I arrived at Vegas I had to scramble to find replacement forms for the costume that was being delivered that day.  I had everything in carry-on since I could not allow the costume to be late or missing.  I'm still torqued about this and forever wary of TSA.  Good Luck,  Marg

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(@coloradog1)
Honorable Member     California, United States of America
Joined: 2 years ago

it SOUNDS like a lot of fun but I think by hour 3 of the flying process the novelty would wear off!!

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(@dovemtn2016)
Joined: 1 year ago

Honorable Member     Tucson, Arizona, United States of America
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@coloradog1 I'm with you, Natalie

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Baroness
(@dianas1960)
Joined: 9 years ago

Reputable Member     South Central, Indiana, United States of America
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@coloradog1 For me it never does.  I enjoy every minute of it.  Most of my trips involved renting cars as well.  I never had any issues showing me male drivers license to get the car.  Then checking into the hotel as well.

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(@valentina16)
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Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
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@dianas1960 now let’s see, let me practise, in my best and deepest James Bond voice: “Valentine. Valentina Valentine.” Yes, I can do this!!

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(@katiep)
Reputable Member     Nottinghamshire, United Kingdom
Joined: 3 months ago

Reading the replies, having travelled through the width a breadth of the Middle East, I can assure you that security in those areas of the world are not the "nice and open minded" TSA security agents within the US / UK or Europe. Just wanted people to be aware.

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(@valentina16)
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Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
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@katiep Thank you for this Katie. As I perhaps anticipated. 😔

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(@kelgels)
Estimable Member     Tasmania, Australia
Joined: 2 years ago

I have flown underdressed. Was paranoid of the metal detector going off if I wore a bra, so I wore a boobtube that removed the risk of that also wore knickers and a control brief with pants hose so I had no metal at all.  On the top of my checked.in baggage was my breastfeeding forms, bra and girdle I got changed into at the airport on the other end.

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(@valentina16)
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Noble Member     Worcester, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
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@kelgels All this must minimise the risk of exposure. Though, it does seem airports are becoming more used, perhaps trained to accept us in our freedom if we choose. Dare I say they have ‘diversity’ training? Probably not these days. 😔

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(@kelgels)
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Estimable Member     Tasmania, Australia
Posts: 122

@valentina16 Look women's brass don't set the machine off, but I am unsure if a boned girdle or garter strap hooks would, but fir me coming from a small city here in Hobart going through fame would not bother me so much these days but it's be confronted by some I know would verify more.

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