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(@cosplay101)
Eminent Member     cambridge, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
Joined: 3 years ago

hi need a bit of advice please
has anyone got any top tips for going out in public dressed as a woman and not draw attention to themselves i know the basics 
but just wondered if anyone had any tips from experience or things they have tried and basically and tips and tricks people have picked over time 
thanks 
Ashley 

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Baroness
(@annaredhead)
Joined: 10 months ago

Famed Member     Cornwall, United Kingdom
Posts: 1663

@cosplay101 my experience of going out is pretty limited, but being over 6 foot tall and red haired makes me hard to miss. I've been out in quiet locations and only walked a short distance to / from my car.

I think it will vary depending on where you are. For example London or Brighton you won't attract anything negative, you might in a smaller place.

I think you are best being well away from home and have a route home where you can either avoid neighbours or make some adjustments to get past them without being noticed.

Where I live, the chance of being accepted is pretty low but I have a friend who lives about 40 miles away and I feel safe walking round the village where she lives whilst en femme.

 

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Duchess
(@cosplay101)
Joined: 3 years ago

Eminent Member     cambridge, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 17

@annaredhead 
thank you yes i will be going about 100 miles away from home and to a city but i am worried attracting attention from being in a crowded area rather than a quieter one
but wont really be wandering around just meeting a friend for coffee but im just worried about it to be honest about attracting attention

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Baroness
(@annaredhead)
Joined: 10 months ago

Famed Member     Cornwall, United Kingdom
Posts: 1663

@cosplay101 wear a fairly plain outfit, avoid overbright colours and avoid too short a skirt, keep hair a fairly ordinary colour. Go with low heels or flats

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(@gafran)
Joined: 8 months ago

Noble Member     Warner Robins, Georgia, United States of America
Posts: 946

@cosplay101 

Dress in either a long skirt or dress. Slacks and a Suttle toned top. Basically dress to blend in and not stand out. That also means no pink hair. Lol.

Day makeup is lighter and generally plainer then night makeup. Wear confortale shoes and smaller heels. 

Most importantly relax and enjoy yourself! 

Fran 🥰

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Duchess
(@cosplay101)
Joined: 3 years ago

Eminent Member     cambridge, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 17

@gafran 
thank you i generally try to dress to match women of my age group so i try to blend in that way with subtle natural makeup and hair 
the hard part for me is the relaxing and enjoying

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(@cdashley)
Joined: 4 years ago

Noble Member     Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1471

@cosplay101 Like you said the basics, blend in rather then stand out, wear sensible shoes, but what I’ve done once the butterflies settle is just own it. Hold your head high , show confidence and just smile if you do make eye contact with people. I find that most are to caught up in their own heads to even notice.

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Lady
(@sashabennett)
Joined: 1 year ago

Noble Member     Wick, Caithness, United Kingdom
Posts: 716

@cosplay101 I've only done it a few times so far but the one thing I have learned is that no one was bothered. Just go out, be yourself & just enjoy the experience. You will, understandably, be nervous but you will probably be surprised at just how normal it is. Hope you have fun.

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Lady
(@harriette)
Joined: 2 years ago

Illustrious Member     Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3853

@cosplay101 There is lots of good information here, Ashley.

I will only add to own your experience. You deserve to be there and to enjoy your day. Have fun with your friend.

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(@lauren114)
Joined: 1 year ago

Noble Member     Delaware, United States of America
Posts: 1161

@cosplay101  I would say two things:

1.  Dress appropriately for the situation.  I love dresses and heels but they aren't appropriate for the market or shopping in the mall.  Overdressing often draws scrutiny which unless you are 100% passable can sometimes betray you.  Just blend in with other women and you should be fine.

2. Most people don't even take note of strangers since they are so involved in their own life.   Think about it.....can you remember anyone you saw the last time you went to the market other than someone you already knew?

Going out is definitely a hurdle to get over but once you do it, it gets easier every time you do it.  Your confidence grows every time you step out the door.  You may have an occasional setback but don't let it throw you off your goal of being your authentic self.

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Lady
(@southeastgirl)
Estimable Member     Wilmington, North Carolina, United States of America
Joined: 6 years ago

Research where you plan on going. Find out if it is LGBT friendly. Know the rules of the restrooms as they vary by state and establishments. Make sure that it is a safe environment. Know your surroundings.

I have been going out "dressed" for many years and to this day I follow those very rules before I go out.

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Duchess
(@cosplay101)
Joined: 3 years ago

Eminent Member     cambridge, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 17

@southeastgirl thank you yes the place i am going is considered lgbt friendly and i agree to just be aware of your surroundings is sometimes best as well

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Duchess
(@emilysouthern)
Reputable Member     Fayetteville, Arkansas, United States of America
Joined: 1 year ago

Hi Ashley

Nice to hear you plan to venture out in the world.  I have been going out extensively for the past two years and have generally had nothing but great experiences, both locally & out of town. 

As Fran has mentioned, try to dress in a blendy fashion for your age.  I usually only attempt to be blendy for shopping trips & travel, driving to overnight destinations.  The rest of the time, i dress depending on my mood and the venue i will be going to. (and with some flair..Lol)

Best advice i can are three things.. confidence in yourself, very important (avoid a scared deer in the headlights appearance) carry a crossbody bag or purse (safest) and try to avoid encountering small children (they can be unpredictable) 

Enjoy Yourself!

Em

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Duchess
(@cosplay101)
Joined: 3 years ago

Eminent Member     cambridge, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
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@emilysouthern 
thank you i think the biggest thing would be the confidence im myself that i actually look like a woman and to stop worrying and just have fun

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(@ab123)
Illustrious Member     Surrey, United Kingdom
Joined: 4 years ago

From what you say some of the obvious is already said and are comfortable with your style.

 

Dress age appropriately and in everyday styles.

Practice a little deportment,shoulders back slightly, elbows to the side, palms to the front and sway very gently. Walk with legs close together and sashay don't lollop!

Location- I found out that the busier the better, yes really. People are focused on their own things and aren't looking for you. The less people about the more to look at. Yes avoid busy male filled pubs or areas full of youth.

Using ladies facilities is fine in the U.K., if you look acceptable then there should be no issues.

The main thing is to be confident and keep your head held high and not curled up nor shy away from interacting. It may just need a polite please or thank you to a little more. Soften the voice and go for it.

Enjoy your day and we'd all like to hear how it went.

 

 

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Duchess
(@cosplay101)
Joined: 3 years ago

Eminent Member     cambridge, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 17

@ab123 thank you yes i dont really know how to soften my voice sadly i have tried but i never to be convincing maybe just because i was nervous though
i wouldn't have the confidence to use the ladies unless i was really desperate as i would be worried about looking as you say acceptable 
but i will let you all know how i get on for sure 
Ashley

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Duchess
(@flatlander48)
Noble Member     Cathedral City, California, United States of America
Joined: 5 years ago

Lots of good advice here about how to look, so I won’t discuss that. On the other hand, there are somethings to add regarding how to act.

Continually looking around to see who is looking at us doesn’t help.

Continually messing with our hair or tugging on our clothes doesn’t help.

Continually looking at the mirror in a compact doesn’t help.

What all these things have in common is that they are outside of the general behavior of those Assigned Female At Birth (AFAB) in casual public settings. It attracts the wrong kind of scrutiny and attention because people will wonder what is making you so nervous and fidgety.

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Duchess
(@cosplay101)
Joined: 3 years ago

Eminent Member     cambridge, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 17

@flatlander48 thank you yes i agree im very gratefull for all the advice and i will try keep it natural by trying to fidget too much 

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Duchess
(@flatlander48)
Joined: 5 years ago

Noble Member     Cathedral City, California, United States of America
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@cosplay101 The unfortunate thing is that attracting scrutiny of this kind can undo all of the effort that has been put into presentation.

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(@rebeccabaxter)
    Cornwall, United Kingdom
Joined: 1 year ago

I have been out many times in public, I am going out tomorrow, probably to Truro. My first time out was a time of apprehension--but not fear--and since then, I have become much more confident and because of that, much less obvious. I dress for my age and make sure my man-legs are disguised (men's legs are a real giveaway), I also try to walk smoothly and with femininity.

Wear makeup, not too much, but enough to break up your outline. Wear a good wig if you have one and need it (I do) and don't fiddle with your hair constantly. Walk upright with small, but confident, steps.

Do not slouch! Real women can get away with slouching and still look like women, we cannot. Walk with your head down and your shoulders rounded and you might as well wear a sign that says 'man in drag' as you'll start to walk like a silverback gorilla -- oh, what a giveaway.

Most importantly, look like you're enjoying it and do this all the time. Don't stare at people to see if they are staring at you; you wouldn't do this in drab, don't do it while dressed.

I could go on, but others have said what I haven't. The more you do it, the more easily it will come to you and you will soon be in a position to give other people advice about going out.

Have fun,

Becca

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Duchess
(@cosplay101)
Joined: 3 years ago

Eminent Member     cambridge, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 17

@rebeccabaxter Thank you for the lovely advice as to my man legs would say you say that would be a bad idea to wearing anything tight fitting like leggings or tight jeans or would i be better to wear straight or slim trousers as to blend in more 

thanks Ashley

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(@rebeccabaxter)
Joined: 1 year ago

    Cornwall, United Kingdom
Posts: 1193

@cosplay101 I can only talk personally wherein I have somewhat bandy legs that have no fat on them. If I were to wear anything tight on my lower limbs, I would look rather like Max Wall! If you have no idea who he is, just search his images online. Your legs may be in much better condition than mine (and Max Wall's) so it may not be as much of a problem. Best thing to do is put some leggings or tight jeans on and look in the mirror, then look again and compare them to how a woman would look in them.

Becs

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Duchess
(@cosplay101)
Joined: 3 years ago

Eminent Member     cambridge, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 17

@rebeccabaxter thank you i will do that although i see some girls that have slim legs in leggings and look similar to mine but i guess i all comes down to confidence in how i look against other women

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Baroness
(@annaredhead)
Joined: 10 months ago

Famed Member     Cornwall, United Kingdom
Posts: 1663

@cosplay101 you could always invest in a butt-lifter or padded knickers to give you curves

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Duchess
(@cosplay101)
Joined: 3 years ago

Eminent Member     cambridge, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 17

@annaredhead yes thats a good idea thanks as i already own a set of hip pads and my legs are similar to some girls but i just want to add the finishing touches so to speak without having to worry about anything

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(@melodeescarlet)
Famed Member     DC/Baltimore, Maryland, United States of America
Joined: 1 year ago

@cosplay101 Well I'm certainly the last person to give you any advice on having a subtle look. lol

What I would advise however is attempting to dial back your sensitivity to being noticed. I think one reason I can walk about being 6'2" in bright red hair is that I've simply learned to spend the absolute minimum of energy concerned with what strangers are thinking when they see me.

Are they going to see me? Sure, but I can't control what they think or why they think it, and frankly it's none of my business. Should other people have the right and ability to control what you think about them? Looked at in reverse, the absurdity becomes obvious. 😉

All you can do is make sure you walk out of your door feeling good about yourself, then...damn the torpedoes, girl, full speed ahead. 🙂

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(@melodeescarlet)
Joined: 1 year ago

Famed Member     DC/Baltimore, Maryland, United States of America
Posts: 965

@cosplay101 Just a quick note: I have to rather strenuously disagree with much of the advice being given here.

A lot of it is telling you to draw a box on how you a look - a box defined by the unknown and/or assumed opinions of strangers - and then stay within that box and I have to say I feel that's the wrong path to start down.

If you love a big, frizzy wig, then do that. If you feel fab in a cute miniskirt, then wear that. If you like heels, then wear heels. One of the most gorgeous girls I've ever seen is 6'4" flatfooted and wears 6" platforms and she KILLS it. Now, if you're not good in heels, then that's a good reason not to wear them, but not because it'll make you taller.

No point in getting to invent/re-invent who you are and then doing so based on your perceived ideas of what others might think.

My 2¢. 🙂

 

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(@rebeccabaxter)
Joined: 1 year ago

    Cornwall, United Kingdom
Posts: 1193

@melodeescarlet In fairness, the OP did ask how best to go out en femme and not draw attention to themselves.

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Lady
(@dazzler)
Noble Member     Cardiff, South Glamorgan, United Kingdom
Joined: 4 years ago

I go out regularly. Sometimes, Cerys is around for days on end.

Don't stand out. If you are tall, avoid heels.
Don't dress like a hooker.
Careful with the make up. Concealer, foundation, a touch of powder, Lipstick (nothing too brash) and mascara. 

Jewellery should be noticeable, but understated. 

Do your hair/wig. Nice, but natural. 

A spray of perfume. Perfume finishes off the transformation.  Not too much though.

Think about where your are going. Think about what women dress like in that place. Emulate them. 

When going out, confidence is key. So many crossdressers seem to hunch over when out and about, as if they are trying to make themselves smaller.
Stand tall. Stand proud. Hold your head high, and carry on as if it's perfectly normal. Often when I'm out, it is perfectly normal. I often forget that I'm in Cerys mode. 
If you are confident, it will show and you will blend in. If you try and hide, it will be obvious that you are trying to hide.

Head high. Carry on!

 

Cerys

 

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Duchess
(@cosplay101)
Joined: 3 years ago

Eminent Member     cambridge, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 17

@dazzler thank you yes i try to make my make up look as natural as possible along with a cute necklace or something to break up my neck line a bit but i try to be as confident as possible 

thanks Ashley

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Lady
(@jjandme)
Famed Member     California, United States of America
Joined: 5 years ago

I find it easier to be oit in public in busy places. The more people, the more they will be busy qith their own issues. Confidence is key. Act like you own it, and you will. Dress to more or less blend in, but wear what tou will enjoy wearing. Don't wear a cocktail dress and 4" heels for coffee, but a nice skirt or casual dress would be fine.

My philosophy is that I marginally pass, and up close I definetely am a guy in a dress, and I don't care, and I have found nobody else does either. Just enjoy your self and let others deal with their own issues. Just be smart and don't walk down dark alleys, et cetera.

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(@finallyfiona)
    Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, United Kingdom
Joined: 1 year ago

Ashley, I'd say don't over-think your choice of clothes and styling.  Sure, it will help not to be an absolute outlier from the norm in your attire, but the best thing you can wear is actually a smile 🙂  Most important is you liking the way you look, being comfortable and carrying yourself with confidence.  Yes, absolutely walk tall and proud with your shoulders back, looking mostly ahead and not around too much, but be relaxed, not rigid.  I'm totally with Melodee when she says don't be sensitive to others' reactions.  Don't even look for them - there will very likely not be any, anyway.  Just go there and enjoy yourself doing what you want to do. 

Don't worry at all about passing, especially up close.  That's something that only a very few of us will ever be able to do more than superficially.  I find that with less make-up, interacting with people is, if anything, easier.  I think that's because they can already see for sure who they're dealing with, rather than having to subconsciously reconcile a femme look with a homme voice while already engaged with you.  They'll accept you for who you are anyway, you just make it easier for them.

Go to it and good luck honey 🙂  and do tell us how it went!

Hugs,
Fiona xxx

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Lady
(@jjandme)
Famed Member     California, United States of America
Joined: 5 years ago

While I agree with everything Giona said, the value of a good makeover can not be overstated. I agree less make uo is generally better, but having your makeup done by a professional is not only and fun and incredible experuence, ut is an amazing confidence booster.

99% of the time if I go out en femme, it is just lighr makeuo...lipstick, alittle blush, and maybe masscara, but if I am goint to an event like a play or concert, I do like to have my makeup down well by a pro.

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(@jenngirl76)
Estimable Member     Florida, United States of America
Joined: 3 years ago

Hi Ashley,

For many years, before I truly got the gumption to go out in the wide world dressed as Jennifer, I made it a point of my feminine education, if you will; to make general observations(without being creepy) on how women conducted themselves when they were out and about. For example, how they pulled a wallet out of their purse when they were about to make a purchase, or how they used utensils when they ate, how they walked, talked, sat, gestured and used their hands when they spoke. I grew up in NYC, so people watching was actually a thing you could do rather easily, but carefully, if you know what I mean. 

I considered it a study in behavioral science, and it was brought about by some of my rather disastrous attempts going out dressed as a woman early in my life as a young crossdresser. I was so clueless and looking back, I can laugh at myself now, but I wish I had a place like this site back in the day so I could have been a little better prepared.

Kudos to you for asking for advice!!!  

I think the most important thing is to dress age appropriate. Make sure your makeup is not over done, relax and don't be rigid, take short steps when you walk and hold your head high and embrace your confidence, smile a lot, believe me that goes a long way and just go about your business like any woman would.

Go for "blending" in, don't worry about passing because I can tell you from experience that is something only few are able to do. 

If you happen to see any "surprised" reactions, ignore them and move on and above all; do not take it to heart. 

Smile, be confident, and enjoy being out!!

Have a good time!!

Hugs,

Jennifer 

 

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(@carlafirst11)
Honorable Member     So. California , California, United States of America
Joined: 2 years ago

in my own experience the main thing is to blend in, don’t dress out of place. You can dress a little sexy even if you’re going to the mall, but always think of the environment, what women are wearing, don’t over do your movements / walk like some ladies do, is a dead give away, be as light as possible with your makeup. People in general pretty much leave you alone or don’t pay much attention, again if you’re acting like a lady. Stay away from teenagers, they can be mean.

i hope that helps, go for it, the experience is fabulous, my worst regret is that I didn’t do it earlier in life, best of luck.

 

Carla❤️

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(@sarahgirl409)
Estimable Member     Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: 6 years ago

Thanks ladies, food for thought, I too have been wondering now all is revealed .Thanks gals! 

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Duchess
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(@cosplay101)
Eminent Member     cambridge, Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
Joined: 3 years ago

thanks for all the lovely help girls much appreciated 

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