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(@chrisfp99)
Famed Member     London , Kent, United Kingdom
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OK ladies, following on from my panties post. I'm sure this will have been covered before but I'm going to revisit the concept. Look, underdressing has never particularly appealed to me. Ideally I need the full package (including panties 😂). But given the barren landscape of my current dressing opportunities I'm rethinking this, as it would be a simple way of experiencing at least a little femme feeling. Heck if nothing else I've got to get myself some panties, just so you girls won't think I'm some sort of a weirdo 😂. 

So what does the underdressing landscape look like girls? What do you wear? Panties, pantyhose, garter and stockings (that would be nice but maybe not very practical)?. Do you go as far as a bra? With forms? Anything else? I'd love to hear your underdressing experiences. I'm thinking maybe it's time for me to try it.

Thanks ladies. 

Hugs, Chrissie xx. 

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(@lizk)
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@chrisfp99 

Way back when, I sometimes wore panties and tights under my guy clothes.  But tights were frustrating because I couldn't shave my legs.  That in turn would make me feel more dysphoric.  So I stopped wearing tights and just went with panties. 

One day I said the hell with it and I shaved my legs.  I went out wearing shorts and nobody said anything about my hairless legs.  Next day the tights were back on! 

Now it doesn't matter.  I wear what I want everyday.  They're just my clothes.  

Liz xx

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Lady
(@cdkelli)
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@lizk

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Baroness
(@annaredhead)
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@chrisfp99 I wear knickers every day, my toes are often painted.

If on my way somewhere and Anna will be making an appearance, I will wear full lingerie and forms under a loose sweatshirt and trousers, otherwise I confine underdressing to wearing knickers and gender-neutral clothes.

I'm not a huge fan of wearing a bra without forms or wearing tights under trousers.

Much of my everyday wear is Nepalese clothing and I wear shorts most of the year.

Although my legs are always smooth, nobody has commented on it.

I use a male exfoliating face scrub, but otherwise my shower gels and deodorant are always feminine, so yes, I probably smell like a girl most of the time.

Hugs,

Anna xx

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Lady
(@blondie747)
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Estimable Member     Newcastle, Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom
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@chrisfp99 In the cold weather I've occasionally gone out wearing a bra and breast forms under my coat, they're noy really noticeable unless you get up close but it feels great and a little bit daring.

Gina x

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Lady
(@michaela2001)
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@blondie747 I relish the cooler months for just that reason, I can wear my forms when I go out.

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(@charlenecd62)
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Trusted Member     North Carolina, United States of America
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@chrisfp99 my every day underdress is panties of various styles. Typically bikini or boy cut with basic brief cuts coming in next. I keep my legs shaved and will wear hose on the cold days. Over the past year or two I have been wearing a camisole under my day to day wear. With heavier shirts or sweaters they are not noticeable.

Charlene xxx

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Lady
(@candycross)
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@chrisfp99 hi Chrissie when in guy mode l wear a kilt and panties underneath,  l always wear panties, when l am at home l usually wear skater skirts , panties, top etc. I occasionally wear pantihose.  I also have painted finger and toe nails.  I also shave my whole body.

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(@ellyd22)
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@chrisfp99 

I don't own any male underwear 🙂

It's knickers (panties) every day for me, and if I'm in drab a bra that doesn't show such as a seamless sports bra. These days I often wear a cami as well.

Here's a forum post of mine from the day after I joined the site, back in July 2023. The thread contains a LOT of useful info about bras for underdressing:

Bras for underdressing - any advice? – Fashion Beauty & Makeup – Crossdresser Heaven Forums

Ellie x

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Baroness
(@chrisfp99)
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@ellyd22 Thank you Ellie. I'm going to give it all a try. Just a little victory. Look, you know I'm a bit naive (I've never worn panties, shock horror!) but I've often wondered what a cami is. Educate me would you girl? Hope you have a lovely Christmas and New Year.

Hugs, Chrissie xx. 

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(@ellyd22)
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@chrisfp99 

I got a chatbot to write a definition for you 🙂

'A cami, or camisole, is a lingerie-style sleeveless shirt that is generally fitted, with thinner spaghetti straps. It is often made of silk or satin. It does not extend past the waist and is ideal for layering underneath other tops and for providing coverage for low-cut tops.'

Have a quick image search using Google*. They're really pretty, as well as being inconspicuous when you're wearing one in drab.

Happy Christmas to you too!

Hugs

Ellie x

*Other search engines are available.

 

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(@alexina)
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@ellyd22 @chrisfp99 

And they're essential when you buy a gorgeous, glittery blouse online, that turns out to be see-through when it arrives 🙄.

Allie x

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Duchess
(@rebeccaoh)
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@chrisfp99 I'm here for all these questions Chrissie keep em coming! I underdress daily in some way at least. Toes always painted, panties daily, and if I am wearing a fitted shirt I like to wear a very stealthy cotton unpadded bra to help flatten my chest more. On days I reeeeeally feel the need to dress and have to be drab, I'll wear either pantyhose or stockings and a garter belt with straps. 

 

If you are like me and can enjoy some minor risk taking, it's great to wear stockings or hose. All day I have to be conscientious of how I sit and move to make sure nobody sees. Leaves me reminded all day that I really am dressing up still, and I feel empowered that I was still able to dress up, damn the rules! My little victory and middle finger to society lol. 

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(@harriette)
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Posted by: @rebeccaoh

If you are like me and can enjoy some minor risk taking, it's great to wear stockings or hose. All day I have to be conscientious of how I sit and move to make sure nobody sees.

Or hears. 😉

One member said that she was outed by the swishing sound that her stockings made inside of her pants.

 

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Duchess
(@rebeccaoh)
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@harriette there’s no way I’d admit it based on sound lol. That sounds terrifying lol

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Lady
(@kimdl94)
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@chrisfp99 back before I first ventured out fully en femme I wore panties and pantyhose pretty much full time, then decided to add a bra under looser shirts/tops, and the temptation grew a bit more to add breast forms, a little bit of makeup…etc etc.

At some point, I just felt it was time to drop the pretense.  Since that point, I went full girl mode if I dress at all, at home and out in the real world.

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(@harriette)
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@chrisfp99 If I remember your backstory correctly, Chrissie, you are very restricted in your normal day life when it comes to crossdressing.

I am wondering where you are going with this. One underdressing slip-up and your goose will be cooked.

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Baroness
(@chrisfp99)
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@harriette You are correct Harriette. I just feel the need to experience some femme feelings, however repressed they are. I often wonder if somewhere deep down I actually want to be discovered. Get the big reveal out of the way xx.

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Lady
(@harriette)
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@chrisfp99 That's why I asked. We both have seen this happen before and I  wanted to jog your memory. 🥰

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Lady
(@gienne)
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@chrisfp99 Regarding wanting to be discovered: I am still pretty new to this, and I underdress, but am cultivating a stealth/subtle/androgynous visible approach. There is no way that I want to be discovered by anyone I know! But when I’m out among strangers, I admit that I do sometimes want to be discovered or noticed. Say I’m in a café, looking like a guy at a glance, but wearing woman’s jeans and subtle booties. I will sometimes sit in a chair positioned and crossing my legs so that makes my shoes really visible, hoping that someone will do a double take. As @blondie747  said, it feels daring! And fun!

 

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Lady
(@harriette)
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Posted by: @gienne

Regarding wanting to be discovered: I am still pretty new to this, and I underdress, but am cultivating a stealth/subtle/androgynous visible approach. There is no way that I want to be discovered by anyone I know! But when I’m out among strangers, I admit that I do sometimes want to be discovered or noticed.

If a CD is single, this won't matter so much, but if a CD is married, don't forget that clothes have labels that a wife can read. Just because clothes look to be unisex doesn't mean that they are.

 

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(@alexina)
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@chrisfp99 

Chrissie, I only occasionally "underdress", panties and tights, if the mood takes me of a morning. 

In the past couple of weeks, though, I've got back to playing golf and it's bloody freezing so I wear 20 denier, high waist tights under my golf trousers. They provide a layer of insulation and I can feel them on my legs. I can see why lots of us do this more regularly.

In the past six months, I've had my ears pierced and wear nail varnish on my toes and fingernails. Toes are currently bright red and fingernails are multicoloured for Christmas 😊. I'll create a gallery for my nails, it'll be a good record of what I like. 

You could try painting your nails and tell your wife it's just another expression of your creativity, you are a musician after all. After that, the world may be your lobster 😊

Hugs 

Allie x

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(@chrisfp99)
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@alexina Thanks Allie. Trust me, the nails plan wouldn't work! Now that I'm retired I really want to get my golf game back on track but my body seems to have forgotten how to play. It's very frustrating xx.

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@chrisfp99 

Well, I've been at this for five years now, I try not to keep score, I hope for more good shots than bad and, if nothing else, I take comfort in the knowledge that I'm keeping golf ball manufacturers in business.

Oh, and it reminds me that I've got muscles in some odd places. And they hurt! Xx

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(@chrisfp99)
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@alexina I used to be good and now I'm rubbish. It's no fun at all 😢 xx.

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Lady
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@chrisfp99 

 

I can relate! I wear a uniform for work and it's very masculine and bland (construction). Under my clothes, I am wearing panties, women's fleece lined leggings and women's turtleneck thermal shirt. My toes are also painted. 

At home, I'll sometimes wear a ladies sweatshirt or nightie. But my public life is very much male mode with some pretty stuff under! Do what makes you happy!

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@chrisfp99 

I'm like you, Chrissie; dressing is a whole hog affair, always including makeup. Underdressing holds little appeal to me, though I have done it.

Mostly it's been a pair of tights under trousers whilst I'm at work. Once, when I was in the office by myself, I took off my shoes and socks. After a while I walked along the corridor to the tea point, only to be joined unexpectedly by a woman from another floor in the building. I knew instantly from the puzzled look on her face that she'd clocked the tights on my feet, but neither of us said a word. We made our coffees and went our separate ways.

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(@harriette)
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@jacquelinelarkspur That is the kind of coincidence that I was thinking about that can blow a CD's disguise.

A simple mistake and poof! Panties left out, forgetting to take off earrings or other jewelry, let alone make-up or perfume.

Minefields are everywhere for a closeted CD.

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(@jennyphose)
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@chrisfp99 
Hi Chrissie - another great question, I'll add my fourpennorth.

I often "underdress" with panties (as per you previous topic) and often with sheer tights too (pantyhose) - usually tan/nude colour, sometimes black.  When the weather is colder, I sometimes chose to wear thicker black "opaque" tights - say 80 or 100 Denier - though I also have some 200 denier too, but they are a bit OTT unless it's proper cold.

I underdress as above to work some days and also at home when the mood takes me (like today).

I think for me, underdressing is a way to keep connected to my femme side, in between being able to dress fully (which is few and far between.)  These little things help to keep my Jenny side alive (it's all in my head, I know...)

I do shave my legs, which makes the nylon experience even better (looks and feels better). I also shave my chest, armpits, private area and my arms. I don't like being hairy - so that's my excuse if asked, which is rare.  I am fair so my hairs are not too obvious but I like to keep these areas smooth when I can.

I also paint my toenails red most of the year, so they look fab under the nylon material. Sometimes I might go for black or midnight blue polish for a change - again they look fab....My wife isn't keen, the kids just think I'm odd. I don't try to hide them any more when walking around barefoot in the warmer weather, even on holiday on the beach.  Is anyone actually looking at my feet?  And if they do, they'll see pretty piggies instead of horrible boring ones!!

I don't tend to wear stockings very often (and only occasionally when fully dressing) and even then they are hold ups as I don't have a garter belt or anything to use stockings with.

I don't wear a bra or forms unless I am fully dressing, as I don't find them comfortable and would risk being outed when wearing under male clothes.

I occasionally wear heeled ankle boots when out and about - driving the car, and maybe to pop into a services.... they are plain black suede, side zip, with a block heel, and you can get away with it with trousers or jeans - I've had few funny looks but I don't bother about that...most people don't even notice tbh.  Is that classed as underdressing, maybe not...

I have been known to put a dash of perfume or body spray on (but only when my wife is away) so like Anna said too, I might smell girly on those occasions.  We all tend to use the same shower gel, which is probably more a girly one too so there is that too....

I think that is about it...  I look forward to browsing everyone's replies to your post. 🙂  

Jen x 

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(@Anonymous 100045)
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 I occasionally wear heeled ankle boots when out and about - driving the car, and maybe to pop into a services.... they are plain black suede, side zip, with a block heel, and you can get away with it with trousers or jeans - I've had few funny looks but I don't bother about that...most people don't even notice tbh.  Is that classed as underdressing, maybe not...

@jennyphose I absolutely count ankle boots as underdressing! Even if I am wearing nothing else femme, I love to wear my Aldo heels tucked underneath my jeans or cargo pants. I have been in shopping malls, grocery stores, bookstores and have been stunned by how few people even notice that I am in high heels! It's an amazing feeling to be out and about like that.

-Brie

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Lady
(@abby24)
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@carlosclosethrisfp99 I underdress daily, I am daily panty wearer, during the work week I will wear cotton bikini cut. 

Abigail Happy Woman Face  

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(@abby24)
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Plus I keep my toenails painted at all times 

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(@robin27)
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@chrisfp99 

Underdressing is the way for me to live my life the best way that I can. Like so many here my journey has been a long one and as I grow older it has become more important for me to dress the way I want and not in a way that society says I should. For the record I consider myself to be non-binary. I do not see transitioning. I will always have one foot in each world.

My journey all began with wanting to wear panties and stockings as a young teenager. But living with parents and the fact that I would not know where to buy women’s underwear limited me. In my first marriage my wife knew I liked non-traditional underwear and was somewhat accepting. It was after my divorce that I was finally able to buy and wear the underwear I wanted. I had a nice collection of Victorias Secret bras, panties, stockings, camisoles, and body suits. I also found a site that sold underwear for men that was designed as women’s underwear. At that point in my life I could only ‘dress’ in public on Halloween. In the last years of my career, I was a teacher, I wore panties and tights to work every day. Bras were not feasible due to the bra bumps in the back.

I re-married 15 years after my divorce and have been happily so for 12 years. I purged all of women’s my underwear before the marriage but as everyone here knows it is only a matter of time when the need to wear gender affirming clothing will return. As it did I had a discussion with my wife about my love of lace and satin panties. Then I began to buy bras again. I thought I was being discreet but she finally said something so I had to talk about my love of bras, camisoles, stockings and garters. It was at this time I began to buy breast forms as well and as expected my wife accidently found a pair. This led to the discussion where I told her that I can and have fully dressed as a woman. It was an uncomfortable discussion but I tried to be as honest as I could be. From that point I think we are in living a ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ life and I am OK with that. She is aware that I have drawers full of panties and bras. I don’t think she will ever feel comfortable with that part of me.

I do not have many opportunities to fully dress. I dress for my therapy sessions and I have dressed for my doctor visits. If my wife is out of town visiting her family or if I am out of town on my own I can dress in public but the opportunities are few and far between. That is why underdressing is so important to me. Every day I wear lace/satin women’s underwear, a bra, and women’s tank top. I wear my breast forms every day as well. I have some smaller ones that I can wear around my wife if I am careful but even here I find myself testing the limits by wearing bigger ones. I do not know if my wife has noticed my boobs so I am preparing for the inevitable discussion if she does say something. At night (we sleep in separate bedrooms for the purpose of a good night’s sleep) I wear lace and satin nighties, panties, and one of my larger pair of breast forms. And that is when I feel safest and most content with who I am.

What non-binary means to me is that I know that I love to dress fully as a woman and I will savor every opportunity but it is not something I want to do permanently. I will remain closeted to my family and friends they will only see me in my guy clothes. What they won’t see is that underneath I am wearing lacy women’s underwear and living my best life possible.

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@robin27 Hey Robin, thank you so much for sharing so much of your femme life. It's definitely time I got some pretty things to underdress in. Like you my wife and I sleep in separate rooms but I've never worn anything nice. I'd so love to get a cute satin and lace nightie. 

Hugs, Chrissie xx. 

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(@cdashley)
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@chrisfp99 I’m an underdressed for sure. And yes it does fill the void when not able to dress and it’s become a daily thing for me now.  Ive been wearing panties daily now for probably 2 years and added a bralette (nice and smooth , no bumps ) for almost a year. And now in the cooler weather I wear pantyhose and a camisole as well and I find pantyhose under jeans to feel way better then without.

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(@sunnyday)
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@chrisfp99 - panties and bra, or a cami. A pair of 60 denier or more hold-ups too if it's not too warm.

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@chrisfp99 I was never a big fan of underdressing like you.  I want to go the entire way.  Now, my view has shifted a bit.  Underdressing allows me to remain connected my femininity even when I need to present as a male outwardly.   Keeping this connection has become more and more important to me lately.  I am really looking forward to the day when I no longer need to compromise myself like this and I can be Lauren all of the time.

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(@harriette)
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@lauren114 With the right women's fashions, you can do even more while still presenting as a male.

Pretty much ever since I started crossdressing I mostly presented as a male, but most people can't tell that 100% of my clothes weren't designed for a male to wear them. I have added a few extra flourishes, such as breast forms, bold nail polish, and maybe shoes that can easily let the cat out of the bag, though, so be careful.

Obviously, I am not above confusing people observing me, but, as you can see, you can certainly push the limits that you use to restrict yourself. 🥰

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@harriette Absolutely!  I wear women's jeans most of the time now along with sweaters and blouses.   I also love boots and have a few pair of Chelsea Booties which are I can wear with outfits of either gender.  I have even started to wear clear mascara lately to make my lashes look fuller, a light coat of foundation and pale lipstick.

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(@harriette)
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@lauren114 Life as Lauren is good, then. Or at least getting better. Go for it!

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@harriette Thank you!  It is good and it makes me happy!

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(@chrisfp99)
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@lauren114 Lauren, I think we are of a similar mindset. Given my current lack of opportunities I think I'm going to try underdressing just to maintain some connection with my femme side. I like the way you put it xx.

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(@lauren114)
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@chrisfp99 Another way I look at it is that women (generally...) wear pretty lingerie for themselves.  They know that they have it on put it isn't apparent to others.  No reason why I can't do the same thing to make myself happy!

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@chrisfp99

My underdress layer can vary in its completeness. At a minimum, I always have polished toenails, toe rings, and panties. I’ve started to experiment with bras, so I sometimes add a bralette on my manboobs. Occasionally leggings, occasionally some knee-high semi opaque stockings. I have a pair of thigh-highs that I’ve worn a few times, but they won’t stay up so I’ve mostly abandoned them. I have some breast enhancers (not full blown forms), which I occasionally add. I view enhancers borderline between underdress and stealth dress because they can be either slightly noticeable, or completely unnoticeable, depending on what I’m wearing.

I don’t wear all of these things together very often.

I see my underdressing as sort of an anchor for me — something that’s always there to remind me that I have a feminine side. I can build on that as I choose…Or not.

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(@Anonymous 100045)
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@chrisfp99 Hi Chrissie, I work from home 3 days a week but when I go into the office I always underdressed. I wear a bra (no forms), knickers and tights or hold-up stockings. I love it!

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(@misssamantha)
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@chrisfp99 Hey Chrissie

Firstly, a very happy new year to you and your family.

Like you, my dressing opportunities last year has been very few and far between. It still isn’t putting me off buying new clothes and makeup though.

Underdressing had been an outlet for me to keep my feminine side going and not lose sight of Samantha. I’ve only ever worn tights with knickers/panties and bodysuits under my jeans or trousers when I was at work. I am wearing sheer tights typing this one, because it’s cold in Kent and the weather doesn’t look too good and two I don’t want to loose that feminine feeling. I’ve got a lovely long-sleeve/high neck bodysuit that looks great under a shirt (do love to layer) I have sometimes worn shapewear to get a feel for my waist being squished.

I wouldn’t go underdressed in a bra as I would miss my forms so better to keep until I can wear the whole outfit and Samantha can totally appear.

Wishing you a fabulous weekend!

Hugs,

Samantha x x 

p.s you are not a weirdo

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(@Anonymous 100045)
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@chrisfp99 

Whatever I wear on my outer layer, there's no question about it, I wouldn't be caught dead without panties.  This winter you will find me also in either leggings or pantyhose under male pants, and on top, a bra virtually all the time. With a winter coat, or even just a jacket, I've grown fond of the special and unique warmth that only a bra can provide. And yes I have been out, this winter anyway, with forms and had a nice but short chat with the trans boy at the auto parts store and on other occasions.  In a fairly indistinguishable 40b bra and a winter coat, I totally forget now that I'm wearing.

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(@chrisfp99)
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@danikiss22 Thanks for the encouragement Dani. I'm definitely going to give it a try xx.

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@chrisfp99 I don't know how to explain it, but there's something fascinating to me about wearing panties when I dress up. Lots of men

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@chrisfp99
I usually wear a Vanity Fair Illumination String Bikini in Star White. I wear the same panty in Rose Beige modified into a gaff underneath. It keeps everything tucked away really nicely so that it looks like I have female parts to the casual observer.
This panty provides nice coverage in the rear which is good for us who wear short skirts and don't have the best looking rear ends. If you look at the 2nd photo in my background collage on my profile, that's what I'm wearing with garter belt and stockings. Here is a link to a video of me at that event. I think at least one person got a shot of everything while I was posing for a selfie!
Lately, however, I've been spending extra and buying Kate and Laura's <a href=" removed link " target="_blank" rel="noopener">Starlette Mini Panty in white. I think they are really nice and worth the hefty price tag.
In response to your first post, there's something really exciting about going "all the way" by wearing panties. It's what separates the men from the boys when it comes to crossdressing!
BTW, are you a client of Boys Will Be Girls in London?

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Baroness
(@chrisfp99)
Joined: 2 years ago

Famed Member     London , Kent, United Kingdom
Posts: 1709

@rachelhunter Hey Rachel, thanks for such a comprehensive response. Lots to think about there. As for the BWBG question, guilty as charged. I think the iconic sofa is a bit of a giveaway 😂 xx.

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Lady
(@cherylt)
Joined: 6 months ago

Prominent Member     Honesdale, Pennsylvania, United States of America
Posts: 468

@chrisfp99 Well panties have been my daily fare for over 20 years. In my youth I underdressed for the thrill of wearing my pretty things without others being aware. When I came out to my wife that all ended. I can wear my things whenever I please which is almost daily. 

85% of the clothing I own is from the Women's section, my jeans and slacks, my t-shirts, almost all of my shoes. I don't consider it underdressing as the purpose has changed. Originally a thrill those items are now just daily wear.

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Lady
(@harriette)
Joined: 2 years ago

Illustrious Member     Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3998

@chrisfp99 Have you modified your dressing style at all yet? If so, in what way?

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Lady
(@margprodue)
Noble Member     Madison, Wisconsin, United States of America
Joined: 3 years ago

Hi Chrissie,  I'm a lot like Liz.  I've been out and open for years but most days it would seem like I'm just under dressing.  Everyday I put on my Warners Cloud 9 Hipster pantys and my Maidenform T-Shirt bra and then continue to dress for the day.  On a regular winter work day I'll add tights, jeans, a T-shirt and a flannel shirt and work boots.  In summer I start out with the same underwear base but then will just add a T-shirt, jeans or shorts and my Nikes.  So it would seem that I'm always underdressed and may look like either a man in drab or a woman just being herself depending on what you see in me.  I don't shave since I'm hairless from my eyes down and my real hair is long and put in a ponytail most days.  If I'm going out then my base layer may be upgraded to a strapless or pushup bra and dark pantyhose or tights and my outer layer may be a suit, wiggle dress or gown. I really don't think about this at all except to consider if my clothes are clean, comfortable and suited for the jobs of the day.  So I hope that is useful input.  Happy Holidays,  Marg

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Baroness
(@dianas1960)
Reputable Member     South Central, Indiana, United States of America
Joined: 9 years ago

When I underdress, and I do so often, I wear panties and a bra with small forms.  I choose bras that do not have clasps and with wide bands that don't show as well and could pass for tank tops.  I make sure I choose a shirt that is thick enough to not show that bands.

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Lady
(@sunnyday)
Joined: 2 years ago

Estimable Member     Oxford, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 139

@dianas1960 - small forms are fun. I've worn them under a regular dress shirt (not shirt dress) and two piece suit. I've noticed one or two people guessing whilst trying hard not to stare. 😊

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(@oliviac)
Prominent Member     Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Joined: 1 year ago

Hi Chrissie As I said in the other thread I wear bikini briefs most days as my underwear. I find them more comfortable than most male underwear and most brands are made of a softer, nicer fabric that feels so much better on your skin. 

In the cooler months I will have my toenails painted as let's face it in the colder months when do you take off your shoes and socks. This might be different if you are a swimmer or play a sport where you change in a public change room. It is only this last winter my wife has been ok with me doing that so was a step forward. In the summer I surf quite a bit and generally like to walk around in bare feet so this summer I have had my toenails painted in clear nail polish and nobody has noticed it at all.

Too hot in summer for pantyhose but on the odd day I will wear pantyhose under my jeans. The feeling of them hugging your legs throughout the day does bring lots of little happy moments where I smile.

I do underdress in a bra usually when I have put on pantyhose. I in general life am a hugger so when I greet female and most male friends I give them a hug. This is a problem for standard bras that without breastforms in them you can't notice the bra but they might feel it when they hug me. To get around this I have bought a few crop top bras that stick close to your skin with no clasps or lace and no one could ever tell even in a big hug that you have it on.

I hope this helps Chrissie. While it isn't the same as a full makeover, I find underdressing when the opportunities to fully dress aren't there will bring a bring a few smiles and happy moments where you feel more comfortable with yourself.

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Baroness
(@ryanpaul)
Famed Member     Outer Eastern Suburbs Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Joined: 7 years ago

I still own, but rarely wear male underwear. I've even got to the stage whereby for some medical appointments, eg osteopaths, as I take my shirt and top off, I just tell them "i dont wear male underwear", and leave it at that. I have some dark coloured high cut briefs and classic black femme singlets that I wear for these appointments.

Winter time its heavy duty tights/panty hose and a thermal cami, under my winter fleecy, floral pj's.

 I have one long standing osteo where I previously wore "gender neutral" undies, but as a "New Years resolution", starting in about 3 hrs, I'm going more femme .

in the cooler months I sometime wear bralettes with no adjusting clasps or back hooks. When changing from my femme "silky"  sleep wear to daytime stuff, it feels so femme to leave my forms attached and pull the bralette over my head and bring it down over "my breasts".

Sadly the forms have to come off straight after the above. My loving DADT partner does not like to see me with boobs.

Happy (under) dressing.

Caty.

 

 

 

 

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(@patricia1970)
Estimable Member     San Ramon, California, United States of America
Joined: 2 months ago

When I am in male mode, I underdress in male briefs; however, when I go en femme, nothing makes me feel more feminine than a sexy, satiny bra (with or without a lace lining) and matching panties.  I also tend to enjoy thigh high stockings (extra shiny) with a garter belt.  Most of my bras are push up bras that I cannot wear with breast forms, but I do have a few lightly lined bras that allow me to use breast forms.  I truly enjoy my breast forms and they do add to the sexy feminine feel I get through crossdressing, but the only problem is that none of my bras seem to fully cover my breast forms.  When I get fully dressed, I kind of like for my bra to show slightly, but when I'm wearing a V-neck blouse, with the tips of my bra cups just poking out (I absolutely love the way that looks), I really don't want to see my breast forms poking out too.  Maybe I should go up one cup size the next time I go bra shopping.  Although I did buy my breast forms specifically for my current bra size.

Hope this helps, and happy lingerie shopping. Smile Face

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Lady
(@harriette)
Joined: 2 years ago

Illustrious Member     Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3998

Posted by: @patricia1970

I really don't want to see my breast forms poking out too.  Maybe I should go up one cup size the next time I go bra shopping.  Although I did buy my breast forms specifically for my current bra size.

That should do it.

You might want to experiment with taping, to see if you can add some natural cleavage, if that is what you really want. 

 

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Hostess
(@cdsue)
Famed Member     Delaware, United States of America
Joined: 5 years ago

Chrissie -

I've been underdressing  more with panties recently when going out of the house. I've been underdressing with panties at home for a long time but when going out I would change to drab male underwear. There was one day we were going to the store, I was wearing sweatpants with panties underneath. I told my wife I was going to change and she said don't bother, so off we went with me in panties. I don't think she knew I was wearing them. Since then I've been doing the same thing more frequently. When I have a medical appointment I wear male underwear. I keep everything below my neck shaved during the winter months. I decided that come spring I'm going to talk to my wife about keeping my legs shaved all the time. My ears are pieced so I wear earrings 24/7, my toes are painted with a gel color and my fingers are a clear pink tinged gel. As I said about my legs being shaved my toes have only been painted during the winter months, however, I'm thinking of having them painted in color throughout the year. There are plenty of neutral colors to choose from. I haven't worn a bra/bralette or cami out but have thought about it. I recently bought some cami's that could work so maybe that will happen.

Bottom  line do what you are comfortable with and your circumstances allow. It does give a feeling of femininity when underdressed though.

XOXO
Suzanne

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Lady
(@lionel)
Estimable Member     Avon, United Kingdom
Joined: 9 months ago

I'm sure I have responded to similar posts in the past - but I'm happy to do so again.

Underdressing is important for some of us whose opportunities to dress fully and/or openly are limited or non-existent.  However, I can see that this only works if there's something about the under-worn clothes that makes them interesting. In my case, much (but not all) of the pleasure from dressing comes from the more complex and substantial underwear that women wore when I was young and first became interested in experimenting with female clothes.  I have to admit that wearing just panties beneath male trousers would not give me much joy and even a pair of tights, because they are so light and easy to wear, also don't do much for me.

On the other hand, a bra, suspender belt or girdle and nylon stockings certainly make a difference: they can be felt through their tightness and fit and through the way they move, stretch and hold as you walk, bend sit, stretch, etc.  To that extent, wearing these items hidden beneath trousers, shirts, sweaters, jackets and - yes - socks, provides at least some of the feelings and sensations (and limitations) that women experienced when they wore similar things.

Obviously, even in a UK summer, there are days when it isn't sensible to wear sufficient outer clothing to hide what's underneath but in my experience, most of the time there's little likelihood of detection.  I have been underdressed all day, for many hours and in many situations - shopping, travelling, in the cinema or at a concert, on buses and trains and even riding a bike.  While panty girdles and standard bras are easy - worn with stockings or tights - no problems arose even with the more demanding undergarments that some of my female acquaintances wore back in the 1960s.  A high-waist, firm, open girdle and even a long-line bra didn't have any real risk of being noticed when worn under winter male clothing and only a catastrophy such as a serious accident would have caused embarrassment.

What I can say, as a result of doing this on so many occasions, is that it gave me even greater respect for women whose every-day attire included similar underwear and with the added complications of skirts and high-heels to manage as well.

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Lady
(@stephanieann)
Joined: 2 months ago

Honorable Member     Northern California, California, United States of America
Posts: 440

@lionel 

That's is so true, had that happen before on girdles especially on open bottom girdles,   I remember a long time ago  one time I wore thigh high & pantys under my street pants, under dressing then put a pair men socks on & men shoes, there no way the socks will stay up at all ,  slide right down on nylon Thigh Highs ..  Funny  Thing ..   

Stephanie👠

 

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Duchess
(@jjennalove2000)
Estimable Member     St Louis area, Missouri, United States of America
Joined: 8 years ago

I generally underdress everyday. I never wear male underwear unless I'm seeing the doctor and I take out my one pair. For work everyday I wear leggings and a female tank under my work clothes. Today I wore my sports bra and leggings under my sweats when I went on my hike. I just wish I was confident enough to forgo the outer clothes

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Lady
(@harriette)
Joined: 2 years ago

Illustrious Member     Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3998

Posted by: @jjennalove2000

I just wish I was confident enough to forgo the outer clothes

I hate to tell you this, but you can. Just be careful what they are and how they look. Uh oh, you will be unleashed.

Who is going to check the inside label of blue jeans? The zipper is on the same side as male jeans, too. A fluke of history.

Now, blue jean and other shorts are a different story! Men's pant legs aren't flared anymore. Flared women's pants are a dead giveaway nowadays. Having said that, I wear some pull-on jeans that have small flares and no zipper, which needs to be hidden. I love these tight jeans, though!

A nice white cable-knit sweater is a nice white cable-knit sweater, for both men or women. Nobody can tell, so long as it is big enough to fit your torso and cover your wrists, unless they look at the inside labels.

See what I mean? Choose carefully and enjoy your time abroad. 

 

 

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Lady
(@stephanieann)
Honorable Member     Northern California, California, United States of America
Joined: 2 months ago

I think the right lite t-shirt bra goes pretty well easy under dressing,  under the right t-shirt ,  jacket,  especially when cold or at nite ..  

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(@kpl58)
Estimable Member     Virginia, United States of America
Joined: 4 years ago

On the two dozen or so times I've underdressed in public, I always wore a bra.  Most of the time it was a full coverage bra without forms worn under bulkier clothing, like a sweatshirt, so it wasn't so obvious.  I've also worn a front-closure, leisure type bra under a polo shirt that also wasn't obvious.  On each occasion I went out I was with my wife, who assured me before we ever left home no one could tell I was wearing a bra.

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Lady
(@jjandme)
Famed Member     California, United States of America
Joined: 5 years ago

You can underdress as little or as much as you want, and yoir situatiin allows. Panties are of course the simplest option, but a bra and stocking (my preference) or panyyhose are pretty easy. The problem with bras are the marks they can leave, that can take a surprisingly long time to disipate depend on teh type and fit. Camisoles are a good non-marking opption. Since I have an understanding spouse, bra lines are not an issue, so I wear forms en homme often. Then the are other options like wearing a femme blouse under a sweatshirt or jacket. Short skirts can be worn with loose pants or shorts. The options are endless.

My en homme attire is often being fully underdressed, buy I often add an item or two of outerwear that passes like women's jeans or a button down shirt that is generic just with the buttons reversed.

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Lady
(@joannajoy)
Reputable Member     British Columbia, Canada
Joined: 2 months ago

I guess I underdress, I’m in panties 24/7, except if I am going to play hockey, my silk panties would go over like a lead balloon in a dressing room full of naked sweaty men, for those times I drag out the dreaded burlap ones …lol. I wear my panties for medical appointments too, just simple black ones, bikini or boyleg…never ever a mention from a medical professional . I have corsets for back support, and of course they  are the super sexy satin ones that give me a nice hour glass figure, oh they feel so good. I just stealth them under a t-shirt and throw a hoody overtop if it’s cooler, corsets push up on my chest and make my nipples more pronounced if it’s cooler out, and I mean really pronounced .For a while I was having laser hair removal done on my chest,belly, and legs , so I was shaved almost totally from neck to toes, hairless is an amazing feeling,but my dear wife asked me to stop, so I did. Now I just trim heavily. Wouldn’t it be great if we could flip a switch at puberty…hairy or no body hair?? I wear a satin cami in bed, and some times it feels so good I just leave it on and throw a cute t-shirt or hoody on over top. I use only feminine shower products now, and moisturize my legs regularly with a scented body butter , up here in the great white north the skin starts to look like an alligator’s if you don’t moisturize ,and I use ladies deodorant. It’s great sharing shower products with my wife ,more economical and half as many bottles cluttering up the shower. Why do I do this? Because this is how I stay close to my feminine self . I so desire to feel and smell pretty, to wear amazing panties and lingerie …and this is the only way that works for me when trapped in a man’s world. Panties sliding against my drab work jeans just give me  that little reminder of the femininity I so enjoy. I never once have had a comment made about smelling pretty…and I work side by side in some tight conditions with smelly sweaty men at times. So I will continue to underdress…it’s for me , nobody else, I enjoy it, I need it.

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Lady
(@harriette)
Joined: 2 years ago

Illustrious Member     Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 3998

Posted by: @joannajoy

I use ladies deodorant. It’s great sharing shower products with my wife ,more economical and half as many bottles cluttering up the shower. 

I hope when you stopped with the laser treatments that the technician didn't permanently leave hair on one side of your body and not the other. 😄

If you want to be even more economical and cut down on more waste, then find a potassium crystal deodorant. No smell, effective for days, should last two people maybe a year. Shopper's has at least one kind or try at alternative pharmacies / health food stores, etc.

 

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Lady
(@joannajoy)
Joined: 2 months ago

Reputable Member     British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 198

@harriette haha…the technician was wonderful, I miss our chats as she worked…she never missed spots…jo

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Lady
(@marieclaire2)
Noble Member     London, United Kingdom
Joined: 4 years ago

I love underdressing!

You can wear seamless panties.

As for bras, you can wear seamless models, without clasps or adjusters. Hanes' "Cropped Scoop Neck" models are good examples.

On colder days, when you wear more blouses, you can try traditional bras.

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(@bloomersandshorts9)
Estimable Member     Wisconsin, United States of America
Joined: 1 year ago

I wear panties or Japanese style PE sports bloomers underneath my guy clothes almost every day depending on the weather and season. I know many are “all or one” when it comes to crossdressing and I respect that. Through my journey I thought that maybe I’m just a person who underdresses while dipping into both masculine and feminine sides. However after talking to my good friend, I’m not sure that’s the case as I’m not interested in crossdressing openly ( wearing dresses, bras and breast forms and be en femme). I’m not into labels but I guess I’m a underdresser guy. 

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