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    stephanie plumb
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    A Dutch woman has produced and is selling “genderless” playing cards, in which the King, Queen and Jack have been replaced by Gold, Silver and Bronze.

    It seems having the King, as top dog, is sexist (though there seems to be no problem with the Queen lording (whoops! is that sexist?) over poor old Jack.

    Now as we can’t have female clothes (clothes are genderless, they are women’s garments.). Surely then playing cards don’t have a gender either?

    Isn’t it just replacing one hierarchy with another – just changing labels?  Gold (the King?) is superior to, and looks down on Silver ( The Queen?) etc?

    Is it just WOKE nonsense?

    Is it a candidate for Piers Morgan’s “The Worlds Gone Mad!” accolade – “has she got nothing better to do?”

    What next? Chess sets? The King replaced by ???  The Queen (who is more powerful than the King) also replaced with ???

    Are we going to have to smash up the Lewis Chess Set to please some gender activists?

    Are you going to replace yours?

    Is this a justified step towards gender equality? Or does it just annoy people and do us no good?

    Discuss.

    thought provoking, Stephanie P

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      Steph….do you remember ” Swallows and Amazon’s”?

      one of the young girls was called ” Titty”…..gosh, I can here the rumblings in Holland from here!!!!

      Swallows and Amazon’s for ever!!!!

      Grace xx

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      Amanda Burton
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      Well I think  these political correct morons should take a look at the hidden sexual messages in chess. The bishops are trying to take the Queen, the knights are trying to take bishop , the Queen will take anything, and they are all trying to stuff the king. Plus they are all doing this by watching pawn in front of them self.

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        Brilliant darling!!!!…..

        and you have enlightened me….I never realised there was so much pawn in chess….as the bishop said, ‘ I’ve never had a knight like it!!!”

        it’s always been so……laid back!!!!

        Huggs always, grace xx

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      Samantha Peders
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      I have long known that Cornwallis’s bandmaster was correct all those years ago in his selection of music at the surrender. “The World Turned Upside Down” and it has only gotten worse since then now just spinning around and around. Bloody colonials missing everything about.
      From the heart of disfunctional land.

      on an important note can any of you Brits get me REAL Cadbury chocolates. Not the nasty Hershey made stuff made under license? The Hershey stuff is an abomination! Ever year I hope that you all will take back Cadbury and do good chocolates again! Please! I knew the world was going to heck in a hand basket when you sold out to them! In fact I have stopped buying any Hershey products in protest, but they don’t seem to noticed my effort as yet! Oh well only somewhat off topic but a reflection of the world gone mad.

      We started buying TCHO.

      https://tcho.com/products/dark-chocolate-81-extra-dark-12-x-70g-bars?variant=48394374596&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&campaign=11128977102&adgroupid=108678904509&content=464943967854&keyword=&matchtype=&device=t&placement=&&feeditemid=&targetid=pla-297546631617&adposition=&gclid=Cj0KCQiAjKqABhDLARIsABbJrGn51rONZosHiTZ2P15e0nc7PFXcMlra2xsp8TQ-iDO_coy4zR84rlEaAhPQEALw_wcB

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      The truth is dead, long live the censorship.

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        stephanie plumb
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        Sssshhhh….  you are not allowed to say things like that…. someone might be watching…

        😒

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          Seriously though, that’s ridiculous.

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      Dear Polly,

      I can’t dispute your assessment, though FUBAR is mostly reserved for situations (such as social or political). It’s a derivative of SNAFU, “Situation normal…. I was expressing an opinion about the game, itself – or the “logic” behind it. We have many “colorful” terms for things, places and situations in military life, some of which cross the PG line, and cannot be used here.

      Hugs,
      Bettylou

      Bettylou…..

      you gotta go to bravosierra.com

       

       

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      The King!  The King!  I do enjoy chess, but  that’s a next to useless piece that must be protected because its … weak, and useless.  Better off without him.  If the Queen was smart, she would dump him, lol.  I’ll keep my set, Political correctness drives me batty.  What’s next, manhole covers will become people hole covers?  😅  accurate, but a bit silly.

      Stevie

      Man hole covers will become street plugs!

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      Gee. just call them 13, 12, 11 for heaven’s sake with the appropriate number of symbols. I’d rather play with those then gold silver whatever. Yes, it’s woke and like any ‘movement’ with the number of people in the world and easy access to communication, lots of possibilities will always be shown to be available.  It isn’t that this woman is making new cards, that’s been going on for ages, it’s that some media wonk decided to run with the story, probably to get wildly different reactions so more people would subscribe to whatever service is running it and they can get more hits for their ads and make more money. That’s what it really all comes down to. Thinking about it, tho, I give her credit, she’ll probably make a few bucks selling to those who seriously lack critical thinking skills, but, well, that’s the way of the world today, sad to say. $$$$$$$.

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      I have long known that Cornwallis’s bandmaster was correct all those years ago in his selection of music at the surrender. “The World Turned Upside Down” and it has only gotten worse since then now just spinning around and around. Bloody colonials missing everything about.
      From the heart of disfunctional land.

      on an important note can any of you Brits get me REAL Cadbury chocolates. Not the nasty Hershey made stuff made under license? The Hershey stuff is an abomination! Ever year I hope that you all will take back Cadbury and do good chocolates again! Please! I knew the world was going to heck in a hand basket when you sold out to them! In fact I have stopped buying any Hershey products in protest, but they don’t seem to noticed my effort as yet! Oh well only somewhat off topic but a reflection of the world gone mad.

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        Leslie….

        Good for you in your chocolate protest…if a couple of girls in the naughty corner stopped buying chocolate they would quickly notice!!!….probably followed by layoffs and shorter working weeks!!!

        Smiles, grace xx

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        • #436659
          Amanda Burton
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          Blubber belly here speaking live from the naughty corner, Cadbury chocolate is sadly not what it was Grace I do realise this but the will power not to eat it has some how been lost on me. Must go my chocolate is melting.

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            Sa•man•tha
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            Huh…and here I always thought Cadbury’s was made by rabbits… 😅

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            Amanda Burton
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            Did you know Samantha, the inventor of “Maltesers Chocolates” got their inspiration from  their pet rabbits .

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            are you sure it wasn’t chocolate covered raisins???

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            Amanda Burton
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            No perfect match looks and tastes like s***

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            Molly
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            Ewww… Just Ewww!… I really didn’t need to know that.

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            Cadbury is an ancient hill fort in Dorset or somewhere nearby.

            Chocolate is very poisonous to dogs. My daughter’s fiancee’s family dog (a Labrador called Guiness) scoffed a whole large bar of Cadbury’s dairy Milk and suffered no ill effects!    What does that tell you ………….

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            Leslie
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            Better than when my brother’s Lab eat a quart container of baked beans. The beans didn’t harm it but my brother nearly did and it was several days before it was allowed ack in the house.

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            Amanda Burton
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            Somerset Stephanie, is a bronze age hill fort associated with king no sorry forgot Gold Arthur ‘s first chocolate factory

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            Amanda Burton
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            It tells me the dog loves Cadbury chocolate and has no taste what so ever.

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            …….they should make…….chocolate Guinness????

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            Amanda Burton
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            Hell of a job to get it through the ale pipeline to the pumps Grace.

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      Laura Jane Moore
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      Woke nonsense…. IMHO

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      It seems the whole world is fubar, it seems that the lunatics have taken over the assilum or is it the mentally unprepared,

      I’m not sure if i can cope with anymore of this wokeness on top of this lock down I’m slowly going up the wall fast,

      One of my mother’s favourite saying was if a pregnant cat swallowed a ball of wool would it have mittens x lol x

      Hugs Rozalyne x

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        …or maybe ” furr balls”….oooooerrr!!!

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      Amanda Burton
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      Absolutely as mad as squirrels food, “NUT”

      MANCHESTER, become become s Peoplechester.

      King  penguins becomes, f***ING big penguins.

      Isle of Wight becomes the isle of Equality.

      The isle of Man,  becomes people ‘s island.

      King prawns, become aquatic neutrals.

      Where do you stop?

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      • #436592
        stephanie plumb
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        …..  it annoys me too!   Still waiting for someone who agrees with it!

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        Amanda honey….call it woman’s intuition…but I suspect this subject has fired you up….

        Grace xx

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          Yep,  Grace political correctness to the point of total stupidity make me angry.

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          Jennifer Lynn
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          Gotta be correct – Silver intuition

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      Hilda Beaumont
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      The nature of the pieces is a result of the historical development of the game over time reflecting the hierarchies of the time over time and I suggest should be seen in that light. More importantly to me is that one rarely sees mention of female chess players in the media. I Googled female chess players and found that there are currently 37 female grand masters and 119 female international masters. Yet the common perception of a chess player seems to be a nerdy guy with few social skills.
      There seems to me no reason why females cannot excel at chess. And as an aside I think that applies to both snooker and darts!
      HRxx

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        Polly Stewart
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        Hilda, you are so right on this! Think of all the nerdy female players out there!!!
        Just think… for all the nerdy types there are an equal number of nerdy matching types out there… who knows where this will lead?

        In my experience, women excel at men in most things requiring technique as they have no such word as ‘try’ in their vocabulary. Men suffer badly from that bloody word ‘try’ because it translates into ‘TRY’!
        Women, on the other hand just ‘do’… big, significant difference, eh?

        My Grandmother taught me that. A she could do most things that would make a modern woman blanch!
        The easiest sports people I have coached have undoubtedly been women as they have another way of overcoming the strength factor.

        Must stop here xx Polly

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          Polly…can I add…. women’s football.

          No prima Donnas or Ego’s, nothing like the diving, cheating and play acting of the men’s game. Brilliant technique and twice as good to watch…

          bravo ladies!!!!

          grace ❤️❤️

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          • #436690
            Polly Stewart
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            Totally agree, Grace

            Case in point… women’s Rugby! The women have beaten men’s teams especially in Sevens.

            My darling wife was a competitive cyclist that I first met through coaching and she could give men a drubbing on occasion. Another female cyclist I coached, creamed an elite men’s field in a very hilly race! I had to drive my open top just to go on hill work rides with her!

            Megan Rapinoe has been an outstanding example to us ALL for being successful in a tough sport! Love her…

            Goooaaallll xxx Polly

             

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      Jennifer Lynn
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      Obviously some people have way too much time on their hands and too much fog between their ears (whether gold, silver or bronze).

      Speaking of which do I now live in a silver fog?

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        Paula F
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        Jennifer,  I don’t think that’s fog between their ears.

        PaulaF

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        Interesting?  Genderless colours of fog!  Will Pink be outlawed in favour of what?  The Colourless Fog?

        The “Grey Fog?”   I bet it will be “Rainbow Fog!!!”

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      OMG…..just had a nightmare….

      Bronze Daniels!!!!….nooooooo

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        Sa•man•tha
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        Grace dear, I’d like to invite you to sidestep this whole ordeal by joining me on The Turk…🙂

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        stephanie plumb
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        The nightmare continues……….

        bronze and danni?  Nah – has no ring to it.    bronze frost ❌   bronze & Jill went up the hill ❌

        bronze-in-the-box ❌ bronze-of-all-trades?❌    bronze the lad? ❌   bronzing ***    Ooops!  No!

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          Sa•man•tha
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          Steph, not sure if you’ve ever played euchre, but the jack bronze is the high card…oooohh doesnt that thro a bit of a wrench into things…?? 😅

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            Paula F
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            But…then that would make bronze…gold.  And people say alchemy doesn’t work.

            PaulaF

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            Lol, omg Paula I love you!  As we both know, alchemy totally works! I’m so tickled you mentioned that 😀

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    • #436250
      Mary Jane
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      I think its true. Go woke, go broke.

      You cannot enforce “freedom” of expression.

       

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      Stevie Steiner
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      The King!  The King!  I do enjoy chess, but  that’s a next to useless piece that must be protected because its … weak, and useless.  Better off without him.  If the Queen was smart, she would dump him, lol.  I’ll keep my set, Political correctness drives me batty.  What’s next, manhole covers will become people hole covers?  😅  accurate, but a bit silly.

      Stevie

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      Polly Stewart
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      Oh Stephanie…

      After all this time trying to get our gender type identified and finally feeling comfortable wearing our beautiful dresses et al… we have to become genderless? NO WAY JOSÉ!
      I have long fought against Political Correctness which is just so much about people who have too much time on their hands.
      Is PC WOKE, by any chance? I’ve certainly heard/read the term ‘woke’ but don’t really understand the meaning.

      Hugs Polly

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      Paula F
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      I kind of thought that Europe might be immune to the ‘Woke’ PC madness, but I was wrong.   How about instead of being ‘Woke’, we actually tried to be awake.  They can’t even use proper English (is that nationalistic?) to get their point across, and they think they are the educated ones.   LMAO at this one.

      Does this mean that I am no longer a Duchess here?  We are running pretty low on sanity it seems.   For safety sake, hide all the sharp and pointy things so they  don’t hurt themselves and sue someone.

      PaulaF

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        Trisha Lilly Hibbert
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        I think if some people had there way you’d be a copper or steel member, and Id be a Iron one. Gotta love how modern politics is selecting the important issue, not like there’s a deadly virus going round they should be focused on.

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      Sarah Du Hessisse
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      Hi Stephanie that sounds to much like hard work, I think I will stick with Draughts & Tiddlywinks.

      Best Wishes

      Sarah xx

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      Jill Marshall
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      Hurry up and get your name on the chess idea, before someone else does it first! There are so many more hierarchies to topple in chess, after all; bishops wielding the oppressive legacy of the church for political ends, knights and their militarism, all brought to bear on hapless pawns, sacrificed in the name of their own survival. In the new chess where the pawns join with their class brothers and sisters and take control the means of production there will be no need for kings, nor churches, nor armies. You may say that Im a dreamer. But I’m not the only one.

      When I hear about things like this I tend to think the odds are 50-50 that it is satire gone wrong, some person who is as exasperated as I am musing on what happens when justice is overapplied and accidentally discovering how serious the joke is. Makes me sarcastically wish that being enterprising about it came more naturally to me.

      oh and I don’t suppose anyone has stopped to think about how silver must feel about this? Her subjugation to gold is rather unscientific, no less a social construct than woman to man, just about the oldest, most backwards looking one in the book and based on color no less!!

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      Sa•man•tha
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      Ah, indeed the Queen is the most powerful…isn’t that revealing!

      I like chess alright but it’s often too slow paced for my blood… but now cards?  Poker, euchre, hearts…gimme gimme, baby! Rake rake!!

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        Jennifer Lynn
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        Poker?? So a Royal flush would be a highly humble androgynous flush?

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          Sa•man•tha
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          Ish yea, androgynous flush on the river baby!! 🤣🤣
          Hey what about a “straight” flush, we can’t be having that either can we?? 😅

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            Jennifer Lynn
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            Hetero flush, androgyny flush, non binary flush

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        Amanda Burton
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        Samantha I’m still trying to get to grips with snap, let alone  tackle poker.

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      Bettylou Cox
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      Hi Stephanie,

      That’s a difficult subject for me to discuss; I can only sum it up in an old military term, which seems uniquely suited to the subject: Bravo Sierra.

      Hugs,
      Bettylou

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        Polly Stewart
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        Betty Lou darling…

        I thought the other military descriptive was FUBAR!

        Hmmm… fubar is damn right xx Polly

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          Bettylou Cox
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          Dear Polly,

          I can’t dispute your assessment, though FUBAR is mostly reserved for situations (such as social or political). It’s a derivative of SNAFU, “Situation normal…. I was expressing an opinion about the game, itself – or the “logic” behind it. We have many “colorful” terms for things, places and situations in military life, some of which cross the PG line, and cannot be used here.

          Hugs,
          Bettylou

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      A Dutch woman has produced and is selling “genderless” playing cards, in which the King, Queen and Jack have been replaced by Gold, Silver and Bronze.

      It seems having the King, as top dog, is sexist (though there seems to be no problem with the Queen lording (whoops! is that sexist?) over poor old Jack.

      Now as we can’t have female clothes (clothes are genderless, they are women’s garments.). Surely then playing cards don’t have a gender either?

      Isn’t it just replacing one hierarchy with another – just changing labels?  Gold (the King?) is superior to, and looks down on Silver ( The Queen?) etc?

      Is it just WOKE nonsense?

      Is it a candidate for Piers Morgan’s “The Worlds Gone Mad!” accolade – “has she got nothing better to do?”

      What next? Chess sets? The King replaced by ???  The Queen (who is more powerful than the King) also replaced with ???

      Are we going to have to smash up the Lewis Chess Set to please some gender activists?

      Are you going to replace yours?

      Is this a justified step towards gender equality? Or does it just annoy people and do us no good?

      Discuss.

      thought provoking, Stephanie P

      We as a society have most definitely gone mad!

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      Krista
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      Hi Stephanie, this is the first I’ve heard of it.  Yes, a total bit of nonsense.  If they really, really need to make genderless playing cards rather than replacing one set of arbitrary order (King, Queen, Jack) with another set of arbitrary order (Gold, Silver, Bronze), just keep the numerical order going (eleven, twelve, thirteen).  Clearly I’m not in favour of this but if people with a lot of time on their hands come up with this quackery, at least put more thought into it.  Certainly appreciate Grace’s take on it as well.  Spending my evenings binge watching “The Crown” on Netflix.  How about the Prince Consort?  Stay healthy, All the Best, Hugs, Krista.

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      Steph

      The world gets madder!!…this is probably just the start

      Whatever next???…

      ” God save our gracious silver”….no, don’t like that at all…

      Elvis, the” gold ” of rock n roll….

      “bronze” and Jill went up the hill….noooo

      and what the hell does a ” royal flush ” become????

      I could see all this coming years ago when they took the Golly’s off Robertson’s jam jars…..

      Grace Baroness Leadness xx

       

       

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        PY Marshall
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        I would imagine , with my Plumbing background! that a Royal flush would then become a ,Sovereignty toilet,  ” Your Grace “.           Your loyal subject  Pyxx.

      • #435816
        stephanie plumb
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        Brilliant!   Just astonishingly brilliant!   If I had a hat on I would take it off to you. Now let me think ……

        Give yourself a king star!   I mean  a Gold star!   I’m laughing so much I’ve got a stitch.

        Royal flush?  Multi-coloured I guess.  Browny-bronze shot thru with gold and silver flecks.  A freckler?

        Steph Baroness tarnished xx

    • #435782
      Trisha Lilly Hibbert
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      Hi Stephanie, I saw the news articles. I think it’s all woke nonsense. I’m s realist and believe people, man women or non binary can all be power hungry. No such thing as toxic masculinity. Sorry I went on a slight detour.

      Love Trish

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