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- April 18, 2022 at 5:40 pm #639687
Ashley Konners
ParticipantRegistered On: August 15, 2020Topics: 52Replies: 963Has thanked: 3438 timesBeen thanked: 4922 timesSo ladies when still presenting as a man but either underdressing or wearing woman’s clothes how far do you go? Does your pantyhose show at the ankles or jeans with rips in them? Do you let your bra show through your shirt/ top Does your “ whale tail ever peek out? . Do go wear clear or colour polish on your nails ( fingers or toes). So you wear womens shoes. Has anyone ever called you out on any of these? Let’s hear what you do ladies and feel free to add anything you do.
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- April 24, 2022 at 5:15 pm #640999
Ginah H
LadyRegistered On: February 15, 2019Topics: 2Replies: 23Has thanked: 1 timeBeen thanked: 72 timesFirst day I tried panties was last day I wore boy undies, dont even think I own a pair anymore…I wear sports bras and day bras a lot, as I can get away with them even under a tshirt…pretty much go to work every day in womens jeans, capris. glasses, sandals and tennis shoes with my toes always pretty, my hair is a style that could go either way, and although I dont go out presenting as female, I get the “hello ladies” more often than anything else when out with my significant other…people just don’t pay enough attention to either side I guess. Ive worn hidden heel leopard print boots, leggings with fun socks and tennis shoes, womens animal print hoodies, no one cares, or has ever questioned me…its actually kind of strange, I get my fix of the girl side without really being a girl at all…although around the house its pretty sundresses and smallish b breastform. Ive found myself becomming addicted to finding all the fun bras, and especially those that I can get away with under fairly thin outwerwear…
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- April 24, 2022 at 7:48 am #640909
Rachel12 Johnson
LadyRegistered On: February 22, 2022Topics: 0Replies: 1Has thanked: 0 timesBeen thanked: 7 timesI wear panties everyday VS hiphuggers or VS hi leg briefs. I also wear a Demi bra size 34B or 34A no forms I just love to wear my bra and don’t care if the straps or adjusters shoes threw my shirt I have been outed a few times for my bra showing
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- April 24, 2022 at 7:11 am #640895
Christopher McGlone
Registered On: April 13, 2022Topics: 1Replies: 16Has thanked: 73 timesBeen thanked: 77 timesI wear panties most of the time. I have ever since i was 11 years old. When i was 12 i used to put on a pair of panties, a bra, skirt and a belly shirt and i had long hair already so i would put my hair in pig tales, I had a “girlfriend” that would help me do this. She loved playing dress up with me and so did I. Anyway then we would go in the next neighborhood over and play as two girls and everyone that saw me just assumed i was a girl and i absolutely loved it! I even remember this older lady that came up to us this one time and said to me, you are the most beautiful little girl I’ve ever seen. That made me feel so good. I had a smile on my face for a hole week after that, 😀😀.The older i got though the more like a man i looked so i couldn’t do that anymore, so now i still wear panties most all the time and when know one is around i like to wear a bra and i love putting on all of girls close because i feel like that’s me but i don’t go out like that anymore but i really miss it and i really wish i still could. Only two people knows about me and that is the girl that used to dress me up when i was 12 and 13 and my ex wife of 18 years. I told her everything about me but now that we’re not together anymore I’m wondering if that was the right thing. We was married for 18 years and she cheated on me about a year ago so now we’re getting a divorce. I just don’t know how you can be with someone for most of your life, about 20 years and then just walk away like it was all nothing! Talk about wasting the best 20 years of my life. It’s just not far but that’s life i guess. Anyway thank you all for being so nice to me since I’ve been on here. I’ve only been on here for about a week and everyone has been so nice and understanding and i can’t tell you how much i appreciate it. Thank you all so much!…
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- April 23, 2022 at 12:30 pm #640793
Zoe
LadyRegistered On: December 13, 2020Topics: 1Replies: 84Has thanked: 148 timesBeen thanked: 380 timesI mostly wear panties under my clothes. In winter I wear tights too. Once in a while I wear a cami (a bra once!)and sometimes knee socks.
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- April 22, 2022 at 4:51 pm #640573
Carmen Cruz
LadyRegistered On: September 12, 2021Topics: 37Replies: 375Has thanked: 559 timesBeen thanked: 2351 timesI could relate to this with my hair. Since it’s been long, I’d go out in full guy mode but put it up in a manbun of sorts normally (without wispy or feminine like stragglers hanging down. Recently however, in guy mode, I’ve been feeling really comfortable just styling it like I do in girl mode (minus the ribbons or scrunchie). That means I’ll leave a few stragglers hanging in the front, slightly wavy, and pull the rest into a pony tail, and leave the rest in back hanging down at length.
People treat me the same.
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- April 22, 2022 at 3:21 pm #640541
Anonymous
Topics: 0Replies: 0Has thanked: 0 timesBeen thanked: 0 timesHi Ashley
I underdress almost every day in panties and pantyhose (if it’s cold as they can be warm) and in the wintertime also a bra. I’m retired and my SO doesn’t know and wouldn’t understand so I’m very discreet. Not wanting to call attention to myself, I’m a CD because I enjoy it, but I have gone out (not thinking) in a bra and t-shirt without my forms and gotten zero comments so I’m happy. Enjoying the feeling of self-fulfillment.
Thanks for under(dressing)standing
Renea
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- April 22, 2022 at 2:26 pm #640521
Kimmie
LadyRegistered On: September 27, 2016Topics: 4Replies: 299Has thanked: 208 timesBeen thanked: 1365 timesI have regularly worn black tights under dark suits without socks and have, on a few occasions, worn a bra under a dress shirt when the straps of possibly the lacy cups could have been visible if someone looked closely. No one ever commented on either.
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- April 24, 2022 at 7:22 am #640897
Christopher McGlone
Registered On: April 13, 2022Topics: 1Replies: 16Has thanked: 73 timesBeen thanked: 77 timesOn a few occasions I’ve worn panties to the Dr and if I had to get a shot the nurse would tell me to drop my pants and she would see that I’m wearing panties and every time I’ve done that, they were all so nice about it that none of them have ever said anything to me about it but that’s the bravest I’ve ever gotten. I would love to go out side again as a girl but now that I’m not 12 or 13 anymore I look to much like a man to do it and I’m afraid to but I would love to be able to do it again. I would give anything if I would have just been born a girl. I’ve always felt like a girl trapped in a man’s body and its just not far to have those feelings and be a guy. I should have been a girl. I wish I would have been a girl.
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- April 25, 2022 at 12:31 am #641051
Carmen Cruz
LadyRegistered On: September 12, 2021Topics: 37Replies: 375Has thanked: 559 timesBeen thanked: 2351 timesI’ll add, with many family and friends in the medical profession, they see much much more on a daily/hourly basis than a man in panties to even bat an eye at that!
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- April 25, 2022 at 3:12 am #641065
Ashley Konners
LadyRegistered On: August 15, 2020Topics: 52Replies: 963Has thanked: 3438 timesBeen thanked: 4922 timesI’ve worn panties to the doctors a few times now. I came out to my family doctor who is female as suggested by my counsellor. But I did it before I let her know and once had to have some tests done and the tech noticed my panties but never said a word.
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- April 25, 2022 at 8:46 am #641172
Christopher McGlone
Registered On: April 13, 2022Topics: 1Replies: 16Has thanked: 73 timesBeen thanked: 77 timesI love to wear panties to the Dr or hospital as long as the nurse and Dr is a women. If it’s a man I’ll hide the panties but if it’s girls I love to show them off because it’s the only time I can because my hole life only two people knows and that’s my ex wife and a girlfriend I had when I was 13. She used to dress me up in her close but anyway if I need a shot or something like that, when they tell me to pull my pants down so they can give me a shot in the hip, I’ll pull my pants down and leave my panties up and they’ll pull them down a little bit for me. I remember this one time I was at the hospital and this girl nurse was training this other girl nurse in giving shots,”and I’ve always had a thing for nurses” anyway so she said do you mind that I’m training her to give you a shot and I said no I don’t mind, so she said pull your pants down and I was a little nervous but I pulled my pants down and left my panties up and they were pink silk panties and one of them said do you mind if I pull your panties down just a little bit too so I can give you this shot and I said yes sure, so she give me the shot pulled my panties back up and as they was leaving the room that nurse that was being trained said real low to me, “I love your panties, that’s hot”… That was the only time anyone had ever said anything but I thought that was so cool. It also made me more brave and gave me more confidence to go out with more girls close on. Sorry for such a long message. Thank you for listening. It is so helpful to be able to talk about these things because I’ve never really had anyone to talk to because only two people that I know in my hole life knows about me wishing I would have been born a girl and that I like to wear girls close.
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- April 22, 2022 at 4:30 pm #640571
Ashley Konners
LadyRegistered On: August 15, 2020Topics: 52Replies: 963Has thanked: 3438 timesBeen thanked: 4922 timesSounds great. I’ve worn pantyhose under a suit before as well.
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- April 22, 2022 at 2:58 pm #640531
Inga Roberts
LadyRegistered On: February 19, 2022Topics: 2Replies: 30Has thanked: 34 timesBeen thanked: 132 timesI would love to see more CDs in my life out enjoying underdressing like this. I recently saw a young CD looking gorgeous with her girlfriend walking proudly along the street, but rather coyly. I regret not giving them a compliment to show they had my approval. I was underdressed in full brief panties and stw pantyhose myself.
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- April 21, 2022 at 7:38 am #640201
Christie Deville
LadyRegistered On: August 19, 2018Topics: 2Replies: 82Has thanked: 63 timesBeen thanked: 180 timesI wear panties daily, and when the weather is cold a bra as well(bulkier overclothes help hide that bra), but always wear my bra when home.
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- April 21, 2022 at 6:43 am #640175
Wendy Swift
LadyRegistered On: May 11, 2020Topics: 12Replies: 1008Has thanked: 1091 timesBeen thanked: 4702 timesI have to be on the discrete side when underdressing in public, as usually my wife and I go out together. It would put her in an awkward spot if someone spotted and commented the outline of a cami/bra/swimsuit that showed over my t shirt.
That being said, the the winter months I would underdress in public wearing a woman’s one piece racing swimsuit. A parka and a fleece vest hides the straps and outlines of the swimsuit nicely.
In the summer months I just wear panties as jeans hides panty outlines.
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- April 20, 2022 at 9:18 am #640032
Jin Crocker
LadyRegistered On: November 15, 2019Topics: 6Replies: 662Has thanked: 45 timesBeen thanked: 2238 timesI wear panties everyday (when I wear anything at all!)
I only wear pantyhose or tights under dresses or skirts, I have bent over in the grocery store and a guy behind me complimented me on my panties peeking out, he sure was embarrassed when I turned to thank him and he discovered that I was male!
I often have my nails painted bold colors (all 20 of them!). I love wearing ribbons and bows in my long hair. I have several dress shirts that are thin enough for my bra to show through. I love the neckline on women’s T-shirts that allow bra straps to peek out.
I have one pair of old-fashioned farmer overalls that my wife cut the side buttons from so that my panties show over my hip bones.
I guess you could put me somewhere on the scale between “slutty” and “flirty.”
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- April 20, 2022 at 8:55 am #640031
Natalie Jones
LadyRegistered On: September 20, 2020Topics: 3Replies: 166Has thanked: 666 timesBeen thanked: 915 timesI’ve been underdressing for 50 plus years. Today it’s pretty much my only crossdressing outlet. I wear panties every work day and on some weekends. Panties have always been my favorite item to wear so its wonderful to wear them as often as I can. I wear bras , bralettes and camisoles in cooler weather or when I’m alone at a job.
I’ve also worn pantyhose to work and on a few occasions a garter belt and nylons. I don’t purposely try and show off what I’m wearing underneath but don’t go out of my way to hide it either. I’ve had a few close calls through the years. I’ve gone into stores and shops wearing a bra with just a t-shirt. And some of the shorts I wear in the summer most definitely show VPL. Having someone notice doesn’t seem like such a big deal these days. Obviously a sign of getting older!Natalie 💋💋💋
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- April 20, 2022 at 7:59 am #640012
Natasha Inaskirt
LadyRegistered On: August 6, 2020Topics: 5Replies: 106Has thanked: 164 timesBeen thanked: 550 timesLike many I expect, I have gone out in panties, nylons and bra under my male clothes. In fact I do that very regularly. My bra has never been deliberately visible, but I have a padded one that gives me tiny breasts and have worn that. Yes, shoes without socks, and sometimes deliberately shown my ankles. No one has ever commented, I kind of hoped it would be some sort of sign for others CDs.
I am doing a big presentation soon and my wife suggested to help me relax I should wear panties and nylons, and paint my toenails too. I don’t know if she was joking, we are at the stage of mixed messages about my need to present as a female sometimes, but think I will.
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- April 20, 2022 at 8:08 am #640019
Ashley Konners
LadyRegistered On: August 15, 2020Topics: 52Replies: 963Has thanked: 3438 timesBeen thanked: 4922 timesSounds like a great idea to relax yourself hun.
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- April 20, 2022 at 12:13 am #639966
Caty Ryan
BaronessRegistered On: August 27, 2017Topics: 145Replies: 1434Has thanked: 12 timesBeen thanked: 6385 times“The whole way” except on hot summer nights and even then I have panties on.
WARMISH DAYS AND NIGHTS. Night:Bra and forms, silk nightgown, cami and knickers. Sometimes silk pj’s or silk chemise (aka short nightie)
Day, cami and panties.
COOL TO COLD.
Night thermal cami, bra, forms, fleecy women’s PJ’s. Velour dressing gown for “nocturnal visits”.
Day. As above but with pantyhose, but minus forms.
Happy (under) dressing
Caty
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- April 19, 2022 at 10:59 pm #639963
Michelle Bailey
LadyRegistered On: July 17, 2020Topics: 1Replies: 201Has thanked: 8940 timesBeen thanked: 983 timesHi Ashley
I underdress every day now and have done for the last 18 months ,before that fully dressed when I could get sometime to myself ,I love my underdressing chance to wear as I do bras ,panties , pantyhose , suspender belts ,stockings sometimes not all day but on most days up to 16/17 hours a day ,oh how I wish I had done this years ago ,all the missed opportunities,so now I am making up for these female times . Michelle xx
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- April 25, 2022 at 9:08 am #641178
Christopher McGlone
Registered On: April 13, 2022Topics: 1Replies: 16Has thanked: 73 timesBeen thanked: 77 timesI was supposed to work today so I wasn’t able to wear anything but work got canceled at the last minute and I was so happy, I raced home and I was able to put on a pair of panties and bra and I walk around the house in my bra and panties and a t-shirt. I only get to do that a few hours out of the day when I’m not working while my son’s at school because nobody in my family and I mean nobody knows that I do this. I’ve always wished I would have been born a girl,, I feel like a girl trapped in a man’s body. I’ve been wearing panties since I was 11 year’s old and a bra since I was 12 and only two people in my whole life has ever known that I wanted to be a girl and that I wear girls clothes. One is my ex-wife which now I’m thinking I wish she didn’t know because she’s my ex, lol. And the other was a girlfriend I had when I was 13 year’s old, she used to dress me up in her clothes and I had long hair and she would put my hair up in pic tails and we would go outside and play and everybody thought I was a girl and I absolutely love that and miss it so much. But now for a few hours a day when I’m not working I get to wear panties and a bra and anything else I want while my son’s at school. I wish I was brave enough to tell people and to go outside fully dressed like a girl but I just can’t do it. And when I was 13,14, and 12 years old I had long hair and when I put my hair up in pigtails put girls clothes on I look like a girl but now I look so much like a man I can’t do that no more. But my god do I miss it!
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- April 19, 2022 at 9:56 pm #639956
Lara Tucker
Baroness - AnnualRegistered On: September 29, 2021Topics: 2Replies: 1417Has thanked: 32548 timesBeen thanked: 5285 timesHi Ashley
I wear women’s thong panties a couple times a week, and man panties the other days. I like to add thigh high stockings or pantyhose once in a while to feel even more feminine. It all stays hidden under my guy clothes though.
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- April 19, 2022 at 12:49 pm #639877
Inga Roberts
LadyRegistered On: February 19, 2022Topics: 2Replies: 30Has thanked: 34 timesBeen thanked: 132 timesI wear Shadowline, high cut nylon panties or Bali Skimp Skamp briefs every day, they feel so wonderful. I ocassionally wear pantyhose to work and when I want to feel particularly feminine will wear a nylon or fine lycra bodysuit alone or with pantyhose. I often wear a bralette my wife gave me, it feels lovely. I love wearing stw pantyhose only, under shorts when I go walking and love that mischievous look a woman gives when she notices I am wearing fine nylon on my legs. I think my wife’s best friend knows I enjoy underdressing as I shave my legs and often have a pantyline when we all walk in the forest together. My wife told her I have a pantyhose fetish too. She often wears slightly sheer leggings that show her lacy panties along with a sheer top that shows off her sexy bra. I hope she is doing that to please me, although it may be for her own feminine feeling. We enjoy our walks and feeling feminine while doing so is a real pleasure to me.
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- April 19, 2022 at 12:25 pm #639873
Anonymous
Topics: 0Replies: 0Has thanked: 0 timesBeen thanked: 0 timesHi Ashley, that’s a great question!
I wear panties every single day because I don’t own any male underwear anymore. I also used to (but not anymore) wear a panty girdle and stockings, but as I’m (sadly) not able to dress right now, I don’t do that. When it’s colder, I wear pantyhose or knee highs or cute pull up stockings too. I used to wear a bra a lot more, but I live in the south where it gets warm and my bra was always visible, so now I only do that in the colder months when I wear a sweater over my top.
Hugs,
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- April 19, 2022 at 11:51 am #639864
ChloeC
DuchessRegistered On: November 5, 2019Topics: 15Replies: 797Has thanked: 3143 timesBeen thanked: 3925 timesHaven’t in the past several years as I’m retired, and other pursuits are calling me, but there were several times I did go to work with bra, panties, and pantyhose. And it just because, I wanted to do, and it felt…nice.
Hugs, ChloeC
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- April 19, 2022 at 11:47 am #639862
Leah
BaronessRegistered On: June 13, 2018Topics: 3Replies: 478Has thanked: 10800 timesBeen thanked: 2167 timesI typically wear panties and a bralette daily, which cannot be seen. I do not wish to advertise to the world that I am a CD, so unless I am wearing a heavy sweater I will not wear a bra or forms in public. I will wear lace top stockings in the winter months. I have even worn clear nail policy No one has said anything
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- April 25, 2022 at 9:20 am #641179
Christopher McGlone
Registered On: April 13, 2022Topics: 1Replies: 16Has thanked: 73 timesBeen thanked: 77 timesThe one thing I hate more than anything is that a lot of people think that if a guy wears girls clothes they’re automatically some kind of pervert that’s after their kids or something like that. And that’s just not true. It’s like me I wish to God I would have been born a girl and I feel like a girl trapped in a man’s body and it has gotten to me so bad in the past that I didn’t want to live at one time but I got past that and I don’t let anybody know that I wear girls clothes, only two people has ever known, my ex-wife and a girlfriend I had when I was 13 and that’s it. But I hear people talking about the people that wear girls clothes and walk around in girls close and people that don’t understand it, they say all that’s a pervert you better keep your kids away from them but that’s just not true and I hate that people do that and are like that! Everybody should be able to do what they want so to be happy in life. Some people are so sad with their life and what they was born with that they actually killed their selfs and people don’t understand that they shouldn’t make fun of other people or judge other people without knowing them no matter what. But sadly in this world there’s a lot of people out there that judges everybody and can’t stand to be judged their self!. I’m sorry I was just thinking about that because yesterday there was somebody at Walmart and it was a guy and he was dressed up like a girl and I overheard these people talking,, now that’s who you got to keep your kids away from, and that’s just not right. I said something to them about it too.
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- April 19, 2022 at 9:57 am #639849
Leena Muller
LadyRegistered On: February 19, 2022Topics: 6Replies: 72Has thanked: 223 timesBeen thanked: 308 timesThe only thing that I have outwardly shown were my nails on our recent vacation. I had gotten a manicure and they used the glossy clear polish. I had several female sales associates comment and compliment them during our shopping trips. I have begun using the male Naked Manicure kit which has some color to it but has a satin finish.
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- April 19, 2022 at 8:09 am #639829
Michaela Jane
LadyRegistered On: December 9, 2016Topics: 38Replies: 567Has thanked: 791 timesBeen thanked: 1827 timesActually, just this morning I was in the grocery store presenting as a man but everything I was wearing were womens clothes. Underdressing was a bra, with forms, bikini panties and a pair of nylon knee highs. Outer wear was a long sleeved femme sweater (cold here today), femme dickies (like workwear) & womens sneakers. I also had on a jacket, because of the cold, which is kinda unisex & not overtly masculine or feminine. The jacket allowed me to wander the store by minimizing the appearance of my boobs.
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- April 19, 2022 at 6:33 am #639797
Deborah Thomas
LadyRegistered On: January 6, 2022Topics: 4Replies: 11Has thanked: 26 timesBeen thanked: 97 timesWhen wearing a suit i like to unbutton the shirt so that my bra peeks out
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- April 19, 2022 at 6:30 am #639795
Anonymous
LadyTopics: 0Replies: 0Has thanked: 0 timesBeen thanked: 0 timesOf course I wear panties all the time and they don’t show but when wearing a bra in guy mode it does occasionally show but I don’t really care. No one has said anything to me about my choices and they are usually consumed in their own life to notice much of anything. My shoes are women’s and they are mainly tennis shoes, sandals or ankle boots. Now that it is warming up it will be sandals and I do wear an anklet all the time. My nails are longer than most guy have and currently I have the American style nails. They are dip powder and shiny and I get compliments from women all the time about how nice they look. Next nail appointment I plan to go with French tips. I have my ears pierced and mostly wear studs right not. When out fully a Sandy I change to small hoops mostly. Again I get compliments from women on my earrings. My shorts are all women’s shorts. I really an’t stand baggy shorts that go to my knees. I prefer shorts that have either a 3 or 5 inch inseam and tighter around the legs.
So I guess my underdressing is alway Sandy and not my born gender. Life is too short to wear guy underwear!
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- April 19, 2022 at 6:05 am #639781
Cece X
LadyRegistered On: April 8, 2020Topics: 56Replies: 244Has thanked: 6627 timesBeen thanked: 1949 timesThank you for introducing such an interesting topic, Ashley. I always feel more comfortable presenting in guy mode, yet while in guy mode I wish I underdressed more often. Most of the time it seems like underdressing is more trouble than it is worth yet, when I do it, I love it so much. I lose interest after I have underdressed for a few consecutive days, however.
Underdressing for me is panties, bra, garter and stockings, all concealed so only I know.7 users thanked author for this post.
- April 19, 2022 at 5:25 am #639770
Ria Freichuk
LadyRegistered On: June 6, 2020Topics: 2Replies: 193Has thanked: 845 timesBeen thanked: 856 timesAlways in a bra or bralette, panties, a cami, sometimes thigh highs.
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- April 19, 2022 at 6:33 am #639798
Brenda Stevens
LadyRegistered On: December 10, 2019Topics: 1Replies: 93Has thanked: 2208 timesBeen thanked: 509 timesThat’s My Girl!!!
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- April 19, 2022 at 5:01 am #639765
Anonymous
Topics: 0Replies: 0Has thanked: 0 timesBeen thanked: 0 timeswhen I underdress in public, I only wear panties and sometimes a bra, I don’t want people to know I’m a crossdresser, at least not close to home, would not go over well here
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- April 19, 2022 at 5:15 am #639769
Jones
Registered On: October 9, 2020Topics: 15Replies: 625Has thanked: 2369 timesBeen thanked: 2513 timesI too wear only panties while underdressing. If there is a vpl so be it and I always wear panties so some nurses and doctors have seen them.
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- April 18, 2022 at 8:16 pm #639730
Anonymous
Topics: 0Replies: 0Has thanked: 0 timesBeen thanked: 0 timesI don’t look to hide anything when in male mode dressed in women’s clothes, just try to look normal ao to speak… no trying to show my panties off or anything else but bra lines can bee seen I am sure.
I have even had forms in while out in guy mode, to an ice arena for a hockey game… no one said a word. Have had them at rhe theaters as well with my wife.
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- April 18, 2022 at 7:41 pm #639717
MacKenzie Alexandra
DuchessRegistered On: May 20, 2016Topics: 43Replies: 737Has thanked: 224 timesBeen thanked: 2184 timesAshley,
This may not be the response for which you are looking, but I will share nonetheless. I dress as I wish on a daily basis while I present as the proud man that I am. Some days, those outfits may be predominantly of masculine attire while other days, it will be predominantly feminine attire. Regardless of what I may be wearing, I do wear a bra on a daily basis as much for support and comfort as for desire.
MacKenzie Alexandra
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