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      Ilona
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      I am afraid of being seen by anyone I know.  Some won’t accept, some will make fun of me, and others will shoot their mouth off at work.

      I am not passable, right now, and need to work on my self image, of my weight.  So, the weight comments will also hurt.

      I think there is a basic human rights issue here. Women don’t have to pose as men if they wear trousers. Why should a man be ‘passable’ if he wears a skirt or a dress? You should be able to wear what you like, without being judged. Unfortunately, there are a lot of prudish people out there. They may complain about sexism and/or racism, but may still criticise cross-dressers. It’s wrong

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      Ilona
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      Hello, Frankie

      I had a long-term friend who shouted at me after I told her that I’m a cross-dresser. It told her that I didn’t have to put up with this and ended the call. An assertiveness teacher told me that I had done the right thing.

      People who don’t want to know the real you are perhaps people who aren’t true friends

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      My fear is the same as you pointed out. The fear of someone knowing the real me and not understanding.

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      Bekkie-Renee Avenddare
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      I am afraid of being seen by anyone I know.  Some won’t accept, some will make fun of me, and others will shoot their mouth off at work.

      I am not passable, right now, and need to work on my self image, of my weight.  So, the weight comments will also hurt.

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      Mary Jane
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      Breaking down in my car. I’d hate to have a break down, while being in full fem.

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        I broke down once and also had a accident while in enfemme. I also was stopped by the police once and also have gone through some checkpoints. All went well in all those situations. Sometimes you just have to relax and be prepared.

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      Hello everyone

      I think I can subscribe to the views that basically, as long as I bother no-one, and simply conduct myself as any everyday woman would, then no-one really even blinks an eyelid. I find also in the advancing years that I (we probably) tend to dress more conservatively and therefore blend in. Going down to the street market just today was another everyday event where all the vendors on the stalls call out “bonjour Madame” when I stop to buy anything from them (fruit, veg, cheese, …). It is so fulfilling ! Happily perhaps I do live in continental Europe (France) where we do experience very little antipathy towards the non-binary male-female community, if indeed any at all.

      My only concession to life as a woman on a semi-permanent basis is that where we live, I do not wish for wife to have to suffer any possible risk of stigmatism. As a result, and out of respect for the love of my life, we have the good fortune to own a small secondary residence/flatlet where Isabelle can thrive and live as she pleases. All my neighbours know only Isabelle and not the man ‘underneath’, even if they fully realise there is one there somewhere !

      Keep well ladies

      Isabelle

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      Sazza Symons
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      I personally have no fear any more. My first attempts at going out were pretty bad. I did look like a man horribly dressed up as a woman. That was 14 years ago. I know that because I’ve seen photos of myself and I shudder.

       

      I’ve been going out quite a bit in the last 4 years and my look has got better with each passing year. I’ve also lost weight too which helps. I’m only 5 feet 8 so I think I can pass. But at the end of the day, I don’t care if anyone thinks I’m a man in a dress. That’s doesn’t bother me. THAT said, I do my best to merge in with the crowd. And look good. But never tarty.

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      i think you think the worst of people. i can tell you when im in guy mode no one give a rats ass about me. no one will come up to me and talk to me. i get in girl mode and people come out of the wood work to talk to me. people i dont even know. guys give me high fives. girls come up to me and talk to me. they want to shake my hand. i prefected the hug move so i get lots of hugs. people want you to know they are find with what your doing. they probably wish they could do it too. i had a guy come up to me and thanked me for what i was doing. he said his son just came out. he probably never noticed anyone like me before. now he knows his son is not along out there by himself. there are lots of people still hiding. probably someone you know, they just dont want to let their secret out yet.

      Exactly this!

      This is how I experience the world en femme.

      People treat you like some kind of celebrity.

      Not everyone – there are idiots too.

      I hate COVID-19 – it’s hugely reduced my hugs!

      While the fear of stupid violent people is real, for a gregarious and careful cross dresser, it shouldn’t be an issue.

      Choose venues carefully, start off by going to places where you know you’ll be accepted and build up friend networks.

      It’s surprisingly easy to do, as people who are supportive of cross dressing are often from difficult backgrounds too. The mutual support is priceless – give a lot, take only what’s given freely.

      Love Laura

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      So at my work there’s a large and outspoken pro-trans group. They have done nice so far by pushing for trans acceptance in the work place. I have talked to them as I work with a few of them in day-to-day stuff, this leads me into the two problems. 1) they have already stated they have no qualms about raising a big enough fuss to get someone fired from a job if they dislike them or what they stand for and 2) one or two of them have also expressed a disdain for CDs and the like, they think they are ‘mocking transwomen’.

      As a result I have a strong and not necessarily unfounded fear that coming out and being found out would possibly lead to me being fired and such.

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      Hello, Abby

      I hope you gradually feel better about yourself.

      I don’t know if this will help, but I recently read about someone who came out at work and was ridiculed by colleagues for ‘wearing women’s clothes). The person went to court and received £140,000 for being discriminated against.

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      i think you think the worst of people. i can tell you when im in guy mode no one give a rats ass about me. no one will come up to me and talk to me. i get in girl mode and people come out of the wood work to talk to me. people i dont even know. guys give me high fives. girls come up to me and talk to me. they want to shake my hand. i prefected the hug move so i get lots of hugs. people want you to know they are find with what your doing. they probably wish they could do it too. i had a guy come up to me and thanked me for what i was doing. he said his son just came out. he probably never noticed anyone like me before. now he knows his son is not along out there by himself. there are lots of people still hiding. probably someone you know, they just dont want to let their secret out yet.

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      I guess my primary fears are mostly about those closest to me rejecting me and then not having a support network to lean on. I feel that potentially losing those I love and becoming isolated would further drive me into depression and dreg up past feelings of suicidal ideation. However, as it happens, being in a sense closeted is just as isolating. Another potential factor is retribution at work. I feel like even though there are laws in place to protect the rights of people, harassment still takes place in the office. I often feel that when people introduce themselves, they pretty much say where and what they went to school for or they say their job title and where they work. Opening yourself up to this type of negative behavior at work seems like it could further lead to the loss of a portion of your identity. If the job is toxic though, I guess it is not worth having. I have never really been afraid of physical attacks, I’m 6’4″ maybe 5″ tall. I usually have a serious demeanor that is mistaken for resting bitch face. People usually give me a wide berth. However, dressing in public could take away this perceived menace and led to assault. People mock what they don’t understand and feel the need to prove themselves by causing pain to others. It seems that no matter how I look at it, it is like the Yin-Yang symbol; there is good in bad and bad in good. While being open about my lifestyle could have huge drawbacks, it would definitely free me of negative influences and potentially find people who are more accepting. On the other hand, being open about who I am could lead small minded individuals to harm myself and people I’m with. A real catch-22.

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      This topic made me reflect about my inner fears and how jeopardising they have been. Definitively they explain why I feel I’m evolving in baby steps.

      The first group of fears is linked to eviction or losing any career chance I can imagine right now. It’s terrifying to think that being a crossdresser would make me homeless and/or jobless.

      The second one is related to violence against us. Many stories I read about transgenders being assaulted make me feel sorrow for them and scared for me.

      Unfortunately many people around us simply cannot understand that we are just trying to do our best when we get dressed, and it’s far from being harmful against them. They act like we were threats to their lifestyle and want to “correct” us. Sad but true.

       

      xoxo

      Daisy

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      Laura Lovett
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      My biggest fear of going out dressed up in public is that someone would know that I was a man dressed in women’s clothing. That is my main concern that keeps me from stepping out. Also being recognized is another concern.

      Hi darling

      They’re going to know.

      Unless you’re uncannily feminine, people will know – and it depends on the attitudes where you live, but in my experience, in all sorts of places, people don’t care.

      You’re not a threat – quite the opposite – you’re a feminised man. Some people really, genuinely like that.

      It doesn’t bother me that anyone knows – it bothers my wife, so I keep it concealed in my locality, and go somewhere I don’t know anyone…

      Well, I say that… I keep meeting people whilst en femme, and Laura has a whole lot of friends and people who believe in her as a courageous and lovely human being.

      That’s not me bragging, that’s me reporting what people say to me, that’s all.

      Often strangers, who have no investment in my well being, just come up to me and say stuff like that – it’s amazing how nice some people can be.

      Don’t get me wrong – there are small minded idiots, but they are on the decline, and in a minority.

      One of the fears you don’t need is being “read”. It doesn’t matter.

      And it’s not OK for me because I look pretty – that’s the work of Faceapp.

      I look like a 6′ 4″ Garth from Wayne’s World in a dress.

      But it feels lovely – it feels like Laura, and it is Laura to anyone I meet. People get that immediately, and never ask my “real” name. My real name is Laura. As well as my other name 😁

      Love Laura

       

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      Ilona
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      Hello, Chrissy

      While it would be nice to wear what we like, it is probably better to be safe.

      I wear leggings over my tights and a plain skirt over a dress. In the last few weeks, people don’t seem bothered about me and I would prefer that to the negative comments I got a few months ago.

      Good luck

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      Chrissy Fairchild
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      My biggest fear of going out dressed up in public is that someone would know that I was a man dressed in women’s clothing. That is my main concern that keeps me from stepping out. Also being recognized is another concern.

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      Back in the 1970’s when I was beginning to venture out of the protective area around my mom’s house, I was always afraid of being caught and outed by other kids from school that knew me, especially, as we called them in Jr High school, the goat ropers (rednecks, for big city folks).

      It never did happen though, until I was well into my 20’s.

      PaulaF

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      i guess being caught by someone i know. but its been 3 years now and my secret is still good. my rules.

      1) never use your real name (that includes your email too)

      2) never talk about what you do in your real life

      3) never give out your phone number

      4) never take strangers to your house

      remember you are a girl now and your man life does not exist when your dressed.

      be the women you would want to meet.

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      Ilona
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      Hello, Sophie

      I decided to come out to more people in January and February. I feared rejection, but most people weren’t bothered and some were encouraging. One woman is bothered about my male shoes. I have wide size 13 feet and my feminine shoes are a bit uncomfortable after a time.

      One woman wanted to discuss the situation further and one thought it was a fad (even though I’ve had it over 50 years) and wanted me to return to normal. A third shouted and screamed at me and thought I should be supporting her political thoughts (possibly based on conspiracy theories), rather than prancing around in frilly dresses. I eventually stopped the call and I haven’t had an apology, despite my listening to her problems and trying to offer support over the years.

      I have talked with a few people about my cross-dressing. I feel that men should have the same right to wear skirts and dresses as women have to wear trousers. Does your wife wear trousers? If so, perhaps you can discuss the situation by mentioning that, as long as you don’t call her a hypocrite for being a cross-dresser herself.

      I haven’t seen many people during lockdown, but I have attended Zoom sessions while openly wearing a blouse or dress. So far, I haven’t heard any complaints.

      Good luck

      Ilona

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      Rei Durden
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      Actually I believe you summed up my worst fear perfectly! After coming out to my wife (and 2 daughters) and facing the possibility of rejection and separation/divorce, being called out by someone I know makes me scared enough to keep myself pretty low key for the moment, but I’m getting braver every week.

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      Sophie Cardin
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      My worst fear is to be discovered by my wife. What a paradox, I would so much like her to know and accept me as I am.

      It is probably the fear of losing my wife…

      I think that fear weaken when we are more confident about who we are . It takes time,  the first time I went out I was so scared and excited at the same time, it’s funny because we want to show ourselves to the outside world, but so scared of it…

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      Jannie Murry
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      When I began to dress en femme, just dressing was enough for me to do in the privacy of a motel room. But as time went by I got bored with dressing and being a prisoner in a motel room. As I got into dressing in full makeup, I could see a woman in the mirror and that’s when I began to want to go out as Janine. I had plenty of clothes to choose from so I could look like I am a gernetic girl. I can’t tell you about how many times I got dressed and looked passable but had a fear of leaving the safety of my motel room. The first milestone for me was to go to the soda machine nearby and get a bottle of water then go back to my room. After doing this and finding out that nobody was paying attention to me, I decided to drive around the parking lot and still nobody payed attention to me. Then one day I decided that this is the day that I was going to venture out and go to a shopping center in the city. I was so nervous and scared as I drove to the shopping center and parking my car in the back of the shopping center away from the main entrance. I still remember exactly how I felt when I got out of my car and put the strap of my purse on my shoulder then locked the car and began walking slowly towards the rear entrance of the Macy’s store I could hardly contain myself as I was hearing the sound of my heels clicking on the pavement. I was on a adrenaline high as I continued walking. I could feel the breeze blowing under my skirt and through my hair making my hair bounce and my breast forms were bouncing with every step I was taking. I met some people walking towards me and I just smiled at them as we passed each other. I wanted to turn around to see if they were looking at me but I didn’t. Instead I just continued walking towards the entrance of the store. As I got closer to the store  I saw a potential red flag. There was a construction crew working on the sidewalk and I had to go past them to get to the entrance of the store. I almost turned around and went back to my car. But I thought. I’ve come this far  don’t stop now. So I held my head up and walked right past the construction crew smiling at the men who were working. That was such a scary thing but they didn’t say anything to me as I passed by them That was the thing that told me that I had passed as a female. After passing them I wiggled my butt in case they were watching me but I still didn’t turn around to see if they were watching me and opened the door of the store and went in  .Once inside the store I saw lots of people shopping and I blended in with them without a incident. I was being accepted as a girl shopping and I couldn’t have been happier. After looking around the store for awhile I saw a sign that said. Ladies Room.I stopped in my tracks and stood there wondering if I dare go to the ladies room? After thinking about it I decided Why not,?After all I’m dressed as a female and I’ve always wondered what a ladies room would look I walked to the door and opened it. I wasn’t ready for what I saw. There was two long rows of stalls on each wall. It was so clean and didn’t smell like urine like a mens room dose, I went in and found a empty stall and went into it closing the door and locking it. I was really in a ladies room. I could hardly believe that I was My heart was racing as I sat down on the toilet and relieved myself After I finished I flushed the toilet and left the stall then went to the sinks where I washed my hands and touched up my makeup  then left and went back into the store After looking at lots of clothes and lingerie I decided not to buy anything and left to go back to my car. Again I had to pass the construction workers and did without hardly thinking about it. After I had gotten past them I thought that I heard on of them whistle at me but I didn’t turn around to see if the whistle was directed at  me and secretly I hoped that it was. I want back to my car and drove back to my motel room where I reflected on what I had done. The fear that I had about going out dressed en femme was gone. I knew that I could pass as a female anywhere I wanted to go. I’ve been going out dressed en femme ever since and its still a thrill for me every time that I do it Thanks for letting me tell about getting over my fear of being outed

      Janine

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

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      Katie Darcy
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      I have fears and I have concerns. The concerns I can push through but the fears make me overthink and keep me inside

      Concerns are someone I know recognizing me. My job is out of state, so I will never run across a coworker in my town. My wife is aware and supportive, so I’m not concerned at all about her “finding out”. Our close friends are very progressive and would understand; but I would rather not make it awkward for them.

      Another concern is being “clocked” and someone making a scene. I would just move on from that, go home, regroup, and try again later

      My main fear these days is a “Karen” or a “momma bear” making a scene and calling the police or YouTubing everything. The worst case scenario is some momma bear type calling the police because there is “a pervert running around”. That could very well end in an arrest if you don’t get a level headed officer who asks questions to find out what’s really going on.

      In some places I travel I might be concerned with violence; but my town seems fairly safe. It’s a college town and some college boys can be a little rowdy; but I am generally much less concerned with younger people today because I find they are sooo much more inclusive and accepting than my generation (X!) and earlier.

       

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      Stevie Steiner
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      Yes, being beaten up would be my worst fear.  The worst feeling would be people laughing and making fun of me.

      Being assaulted by a group laughing at me.  That’s it then.

      Stevie

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      Ilona
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      I am also worried about assault. I have had one case of verbal assault with a man calling out “He’s wearing a f***ing skirt”. Last Thursday, a man said, “He’s wearing a skirt and leggings”. I am trying to be more careful by wearing a dark skirt and dark tights and most people don’t seem bothered, but I am very self conscious and I don’t like being highlighted in public.

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      Nick Lacroix
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      I would have to say being recognized as well as someone wanting to assault me for my choices in attire.

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      Terri
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      My biggest fear is meeting a family member while im out enfemme. I had 2 incidents that were close. One I was driving and i saw my brother about 2 car lengths in front of me. I immediately pulled over and waited a few minutes. The other time I was shopping and saw a close friends wife wheeling a baby carriage. We almost came face to face. But i gguess she didn’t recognize me.

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      Danielle Elizabeth
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      I would say that being recognized by someone I know and sounding too male (I have a very low voice) are my two biggest fears.

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      Wendy Swift
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      I’ve gone out a few times, and here are my fears :

      – I used to go for walks dressed but my biggest fear is the neighbour across the street may recognize me dressed.  Or conversely, they may wonder who the woman was walking out of the front door and then bring it up to my wife.

      – I’ve driven as Wendy as few times, and while I’m not concerned about the police pulling me over, I’m more concerned about the other idiot drivers and encountering road rage.  I find when I drive as Wendy I drive more cautious and follow all rules of the road, and someone may not like that and harrass me for it.

      – along the same lines as driving, encountering vehicle issues, whether it is mechanical or a flat tire.  I would hate to get my good clothes dirty while changing a tire.

       

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      Linda Rose Nygaard
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      My greatest fear in public is dropping a pad while wearing a dress or skirt.  I saw that actually happen to a GG in Home Depot about a month ago.  She handled it well by pretending nothing happened and just kept on walking (toward the woman’s rest room).  I don’t know that I could ever be that graceful.

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      Kay Anderson
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      My fears, my mother in law lives one block from us, my wife has several siblings in the area. We are good friends with the lady next door. I don’t think all these people would be accepting. I don’t want to make things messy for my wife right now. I also have concerns about my job. I do wear light lipstick to work, but my managers are old military tough guys and I don’t think being outed completely would go over well for my career. In fact, every female who ever worked at my place has left, I find that very sad. Unfortunately, I need this job right now.

      This subject brings up a lot of deep thought for me. I have lived my life in everyone else’s vision for me. When will be my time?

      I have this story in my mind as I am writing this. This is one of those stories that touches my heart. I recently read this and can’t remember exactly where I read it. This guy came out to his sister that he is going to transition. She started crying tears of joy and said “what took you so long?”

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      Araminta Purdy
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      Some things I fear:

      My son finding out. Not so much for any loss of esteem that I might suffer but that it might affect him and certainly would affect my wife.

      The ridicule and criticism of others.

      Physical injury at the hands of idiots.

      The last two, not so much because I could not take ridicule as I would recognize it as the attempt of the mean-spirited to enhance themselves in their own eyes. And not so much that I might not be able to defend myself. But much more because I fear that I will lose my temper and do something indiscreet and unladylike.

      Araminta.

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      Celeste Jo
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      #1.  Is being noticed, as an introverted person naturally any extra attention from others is uncomfortable whether positive or negative.

      #2.  Would be being recognized because I don’t want to have to explain my reasons to everyone.  Although having a supportive wife is fantastic, going out anywhere close to home would increase the odds of being recognized since people are already used to seeing us together

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      A great topic this! Isn’t it funny its usually uneducated CIS females that have the Gaul to out you. There breaking at least two rules of female etiquette.

      I am not sure if they are jealous or envious? If they new how much pain that person has gone through to either dress or transition? The answer would be no! They have won nothing and maybe caused a lot of hurt.

      Nothing should stop you from being the person you want to be.

      Being transgender I admire all those that do this and reject the stereotypical so called normal. Everybody’s has been born equal! Give respect and demand respect from others. Walk away from confrontation keep your head up high and say nothing. They have only shown themselves up.

      Love and Kisses to all the girls reading.

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        My feeling is that envy does drives a lot CIS women’s negative behaviours. I am not particularly feminine, but I am am still more feminine than half the CIS women in  my town and with better dress sense lol x

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      The first “fear” I had was that my wife would discover; how would she react? unfortunately she caught me dressed and thought I had a “screw loose”, yet she did not see me dressed only all my female clothes all over the bedroom…. since then I am much more careful and when dressed never go out in my home town, but drive at least 30 min to get away. Then I am so confident that I am a “real” female that I no longer notice anyone around…In ten years only once did a young woman make a comment to a shop assistant about me – so I turned away and never visited that shop again…today I go shopping; underwear, bras, blouses, skirts, etc and try in the ladies fitting room + use the ladies toilets; where else should a woman go??
      Once in England, I fell (do not know what happened), but remember two strong ladies grabbed me under my arms and lifted me up, collected my glasses and handbag and pulled me to the pavement and had a good look at my eye which was bleeding after having been cut by my glasses – they suggested me to take me to the hospital which I politely refused as I said I had my car on the parking just beside – not at any moment did they make any indication that they thought I was a “man” which comforted me a lot. I always avoid youth crowds (change pavement or make a U-turn) and always “inspect” if possible the area/town where I intend to go as a female. For a car breakdown, I have a breakdown service phone number on my mobile so I may call instead of beeing helpless with a broken down car. To “test” my female appearence I once went to a shop where I had been client for multiple years (hoping that it would not be the secretary serving me, but the technician) – ofcourse they both came, yet nobody lifted an “eyebrow” so in my opinion I passed?! – or they very very polite. I had to “test” myself by going through immigration and customs… without problem; they did not even ask me to remove my wig!
      What I have learned is to dress like other women and according to the season which seems to be the best solution!

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      I have seen a number of replies of “Someone will laugh at me,” or “Someone will recognize I am a man,” or “Someone I know will recognize me.”  Although I could probably write more about each of these, I am only going to touch on them briefly from my own experiences.

      Early on, I was laughed at by a stranger.  At first I was humiliated, and it quickly turned to anger.  But I soon recognized that I had every right to be there dressed as I was as she did.  I didn’t let it ruin my whole day.

      I have gone out enough that I’m sure people have on occasion recognized me as a man.  As the saying goes, you are not going to fool all of the people all of the time.  Most of the time they still treat me as a woman, which I say is another way of passing.  I am accepted even if they know.  A few times I have been addressed with the male pronouns even when dressed.  If it is is passing I just ignore it.  If it is continual I will now speak with the person and tell them to either use female pronouns or honorifics, gender neutral pronouns, or skip the pronouns and honorifics altogether.  (Don’t call me sir.  If you can’t call me ma’am, then don’t use anything.)  If I am a a restaurant, I will now go to the Matre D’ if they refuse and ask for a different server and/or a different table.

      A funny thing is that sometimes I am addressed as a woman even when dressed in my normal attire (which is gender neutral female clothing).  This has happened several times, the most recent a few weeks back in the supermarket.  My daughter who was with me (she knows about me as well) said that under different circumstances it would be a compliment.

      With regard to being recognized by someone you know, it probably won’t happen.  The more different you look, the less likely someone will recognize you.  If you use your own hair, you might be more recognizable.  If you use a wig in a different style or color, people will be less likely to figure out the clues, especially if they’re busy with their own lives.  If you are sitting still, they would have more time to look at you.  But if they look like they are staring, shift your eyes away from them.  Give them body language that says their stares are making you uncomfortable.  Their natural reaction would be to recognize they are staring and to look away, going about their business.

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      Dana “Jennifer”
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      Like most of the other girls, being outed in public and to my family. There is no way my family would accept this part of me.

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      Alice Anderson
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      Mine would be that my two sons would find out and have nothing to do with me after

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      Though I can understand the fear of being attacked, hasn’t been an issue for me as I have only been out during the day and am only ever in public places.

      I can relate to the ‘being outed’ fear that many of you have mentioned, but as I don’t know a great number of people in the area as I recently moved, so this is not my biggest concern.

      However, my biggest fear is related to this.  I am more afraid of being spotted by someone I know threw a damily member, and the idea that instead of confronting me directly, going straight to my family behind my back.  As most of my family don’t approve of crossdressing or LGBT in general, this would be a nightmare for me.

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      I have only gone out afew times dressed. Always to the homes of accepting friends. I have 2 fears;

      1, my car breaksdown

      2, I stand out because Iv’e made a hash of dressing or doing my make-up

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      Brenda Maidenform
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      My biggest fear is getting arrested for beating the snot out of someone who desperately needed it. I not passable but I still go out in women’s clothes. So far I have not been bothered had some stares and compliments though. I was at a store and a cd came in fully dressed and some guy started harassing him in the store. When the cd left the store the guy followed and pushed him in the back. The cd turned a round and hit him with one punch and knocked him out. When I walked out he was still unconscious. I don’t want that to happen.

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      Hiya, when I was away at college once I drove in full femme to a city centre car park and had a pleasant stroll around the town. Unfortunately when I arrived back at my car I did not have any change in my handbag to get past the barrier. This meant I had to walk a mile in heels to my student accommodation walking past a few students to get to my room. Wow ! how exciting was that, after changing back to my male self I hurried back for my car feeling elated that I had passed as a girl.

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      My biggest fear is being a victim of a violent crime, either from someone hostile to my lifestyle, or someone wanting to violate a “woman” and choosing me as a target.  I have experienced creepers and overly aggressive males in many venues, much like genetic women.  I like to go where I like when I like and I sometimes forget I am not immune to the bad things any woman, or man, might encounter.

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    • #264113
      Ilona
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      I don’t want to make someone I know uncomfortable or have them look at me differently.  I am man who likes feeling feminine and dressing pretty.  I guess it’s not important for me to share it with with the people I know.

      Hello Molly

      I felt the same way until last week. I had a little en-femme walk and it didn’t seem to bother others. I decided to be en femme as much as possible and I’ve contacted various friends to tell them. Most have accepted me, but some are worried about my safety.

      I accept that some people are uncomfortable about me cross-dressing and I realise that I do not have the right to impose it on others. I shall have to wear trousers occasionally e.g. for family events, but I am gradually growing more confident.

      I advise anybody to seek advice before going out in public. I contacted an LGBT switchboard and a Mental Health Helpline. Please don’t put yourself in danger. Have a look at what women of your age are wearing. As somebody else pointed out, women don’t tend to wear ballgowns to go to the supermarket. Also, women in their 60’s and 70’s don’t tend to wear mini skirts, stockings and suspenders.

      Good luck

      Ilona

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      I don’t want to make someone I know uncomfortable or have them look at me differently.  I am man who likes feeling feminine and dressing pretty.  I guess it’s not important for me to share it with with the people I know.

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      I have really be pondering this question this morning. Fears are important to me. I recently went through a mental health crisis (I call it a nervous breakdown) where fears were the true center of the catalyst. Understanding my fears is the only way I have been able to find some ground to stand on since.

      After reading all of the great responses, being afraid of being in an accident is no longer one of my fears about going out dressed. I don’t mean to say that everyone else’s fear is diminishable. Those who have had accidents seemed to set my fears aside.

      For me, the remaining fear I have has to do with my job and my area of work. I am a pastor. I am in the United Methodist Church, which does not prohibit transgender pastors from leading churches. But I am in Oklahoma. The number of conservative and uneducated outnumber those who are enlightened to what the church stance is. They still judge by their own boundaries of what is acceptable.

      My fear is a church member dropping by unannounced and me opening the door fully enfemme. That person can unravel a lot of work that I could do because in many cases church members are so emotionally immature that they won’t come right out and ask their questions. They will pretend the best opinion of their pastor. Then they will triangulate the administrative side of the church to work against the pastor. Or worse, gossip and speak out of turn among people to “let them know what kind of preacher” they have.

      Bigotry and emotional immaturity are my biggest fears.

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      Terri
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      That was the only time I had an incident in a bathroom. If there is a unisex bathroom I use it. I went to see a few plays and waited online for the ladys room with the rest if the ladies without incident.

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      An incident similar to that happened to me a few years ago. I was on line at Macy’s paying for a blazer. The cashier commented what a great price I got for it. I had a lovely conversation with her. My voice is definitely male as much as I try to disguise it. Behind me were two mid eastern women with a child in full native garb. I then walked to the ladies room. The ladies followed me. As soon as I got into the bathroom I got in a stall and did my business. One of the women was walking down the floor of the bathroom looking for me. I exited the stall and both women stared at me. I went to the sink washed my hands and left the bathroom. That was the first time i had a negative reaction in a very long time. The women were in shock I think, they never said anything to me.

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        Ilona
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        Hello Terri

        I have decided to be en femme as much as possible, but I can understand your problem with toilets. You could be attacked if you use the gents and be pervert if you use the ladies. There are more unisex toilets than there used to be. I try to use disabled toilets. I am disabled and have gastroenterological problems. I felt that you shouldn’t have been judged by the women who had a child in full garb. Did the child have any choice in the garb chosen?

        If you had seemed critical about the women, there is a possibility that you could have been reported for being racist. We have a long way to go, but I feel that if crossdressers are expected to be tolerant of other people, the other people should be tolerant of us.

        Happy New Year

        Ilona

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      Being in the ladies room, when some uber right wing judgmental religious nut walks in with her child!
      That scares the living hell outta me!

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      I suffer from OCD and sometimes suffer from insomnia, due to wanting to be cross-dressed all the time. Today, I went down to the local shops. There weren’t many people around. I went into a community centre, entered the toilets and removed my trousers, placing them in my rucksack. I went to the local chemist and was treated courteously by an assistant who had never seen me wearing a dress before. I don’t know if she noticed. I later went to a health centre and had the same reaction. I walked down to the town centre via a park and decided to buy a woolly hat to cover my bald patch. I later visited the hospital that allowed me to wear a nightdress, instead of pyjamas, for 6 nights. I had a nice chat with the staff. I did some shopping before catching a bus home. I had been en-femme in public for 2 hours in an area near home, talking with a few people who had met me a few times, but not en-femme. A friend had told me that I should go outside my comfort zone. I did so today. Apart from a man giving a funny look in my direction (this may have been nothing to do with me), nothing happened and everyone treated me normally. I’m hoping to have similar excursions in future, including small walks without having trousers in my rucksack, but I’ll have to take care.

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      I really don’t have a fear in going out in public ever since I started crossdressing. I’m kind of angry and mostly really jealous of girls I used to see and a lot of ex girlfriends I had in my previous life that I want to be a lot more sexy and have more etiquette than them. I had a lot of girls I used to date in high school, but I’m a lot more turned on in dating men and expressingly myself as a woman for once. I enjoy girls, but lately, I stopped myself on all the dating apps and started learning how to be a woman ever since I felt depressed and after a long while, became happy and content learning how to be a woman. It’s my passion for once since it’s the one thing that has a true, honest expression of myself at this point in my life in my twenties to the point that I want to find a guy to date as a woman and honestly, experience it myself in how it feels being treated as a woman in bed than I would as a guy hooking up with a girl in bed. Lately, I’ve been coming to crossdresser forums a lot more because of I feel accepted in society, expressing my secret desire to be a crossdresser more than anything at this point. I haven’t really been content lately, but ever since I started being a crossdresser, I have never been happier seeing as how much I really get jealous of how pretty some of the girls I’ve met and dated, look good in a thong, short skirt, high heels, and a large set of hoop earrings. At times, everytime I see  a girl with huge hoop earrings, I wonder how it feels to be a sexy girl wearing those. I enjoy women, but I’m more interested in being a woman and dating a guy for once from the female perspective. I went to a strip club once and I became very jealous of how sexy those girls looked to the point that I want to be a sexy girl and have an experience of dating a guy as a crossdresser than as some guy for once. I love the ladies, but ever since I started hooking up with guys discretely in college, I felt a need and desire to see how that feels when I dress like a woman since I want to go on dates as a woman than wonder how it feels being a woman.

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      I have to say in all seriousness, my biggest fear is having car trouble in some small Hick town, where most of the people never travel beyond the boundaries of their town.
      The danger to girls like us is VERY real, from mocking, to beatings, & being forced into a non-consensual sexual situations.

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      Jillian Walker
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      Something happening that is completely unexpected and out of my control that needs Emergency Services  called. Someone running a stop sign while I’m driving or stepping off a curb and breaking my ankle.  An accidental outing so to speak.

      Jillian

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      Bobbi
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      Getting hit by an Uber car! Chicago Uber drivers are the worst!
      I used to fear Taxis. Now, I fear Uber!

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      I’ve never dressed in public.  When I shop, I travel to the new city about an hour away so I don’t run into anyone.  I’m terrified to go out dressed and people immediately know that I am a crossdresser.  I want to make sure I look as naturally feminine as possible before I make my first public appearance.  Hopefully Fall 2020.

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      Jennifer Heels
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      someone i know recognizing me, I’ve been to a store very late at night, and the thought of people knowing that you are NOT a Real woman is terrifying, but most just stare and say nothing. I had one woman that was all giggles when i would go to her register. But as i would leave i would hear her yell to the others to come look at me – that guy is in a dress with heels on.

      one time i was out all dress – i was much smaller then – heels, pantyhose, breast forms, dress, wig, nails, makeup, jewelry and some guy walked up to me, and started hitting on me. I told him you know i am a guy i a dress, right?? his jaw fell and said NO i didn’t. then just kept on like it was normal. I really felt like i had passed that day as a woman. And as scared as i was when he walked up to me, i was very comfortable talking with him. Then we just went our separate ways.

      But from then on every one i have seen when i was dressed knew what i was.

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      I took my first trip out dressed in February of 2019..since that time have only gone out for a brief walk around a hotel.  I‘M married and live in a small town so it just isn’t an option to go out here (other than to underdress).  I do travel a great deal so dress in my hotels when I”m on the road.  My first time out was in a hotel in Sacramento and it was thrilling and fulfilling.  By the time I got back to my hotel room I was walking on air.

      What is my worse fear is hard for me to understand.  It could be the fear of someone looking at me and knowing I’m a man in woman’s clothing..but this isn’t logical as I see crossdressers all the time when I travel and think nothing about it.  It could be some remaining embarrassment that has never gone away associated with cross dressing.

      Whatever it is, I have to get past it.  One thing I am changing now is buying clothes more apt to help me “blend in” as opposed to “standing out” for the next time I venture out.

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      Losing my keys! The same as my worst fear when dressed as a boy.

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      My biggest fear in public is people turning on me from out of the blue. I get this all the time, and it’s not even due to the fact that I present as a female day after day. It’s what I get as an INFJ as consistently tested in the Myers-Briggs personality matrix. People absolutely hate INFJ’s. They even have online threads and videos to vent their spleen against us. And usually it’s out of sheer resentment when we tell them a truth they don’t want to hear.  Others think we’re spooky, just because we pick up on non-verbal cues more than most people do.

      Such a fear arises from a deeper apprehension: that humans, by denying their divinity, also lose their humanity.

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      I must say that as well. Being found out about but I must say the reward is is so much worth the risk. I am 56 years old and I have been down a long road of going out dressed. I am at a point now that I feel so good about my self inside and out and I am at a point now that I could care less of what anyone thinks about me or says about me and I go anywhere I want wear I feel comfortable and safe. You are not going to change the  haters. Those people hate everyone so no big loss there. I look very classy and  elegant  When I go out and most people mind there own business and could care less about me. With age came the I could care less factor. That is what worked for me. My advice is put your self in safe places because hate crimes are on the rise. For me now at this point of my life I am addicted to going out dressed. Get as much fun out of life because it will be over before you no it. Xxxxx Dee

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        When I was out with a co-worker of mine, her friends, and then saw an older crossdresser dressed up walking down the street near the bars, I was truly admired in how much confidence she had in being a woman and I was truly turned on by it. I think the confidence just comes in the passion and dedication of being a crossdresser. At this point, at 27 years of age, I couldn’t care if anyone recognized from school or wherever because of the strength and passion I feel in crossdressing. I would prefer to go somewhere in mingling (as opposed to DC), like new york for example, but seeing as how I know I am a lovely, sweet, kind, beautiful, friendly crossdresser, I really couldn’t care less at times. I do feel fearful of some of my friends seeing me hoever at times and honestly, I’d show up them up by displaying how many guys I can get on that since I know I am a very gorgeous crossdresser. I love being very pretty and I do everything just to excel in being a pretty crossdresser. I’ve yet to go to bars or clubs yet, but at this point, I want to appear as a crossdresser to the entire world as I have no fear in dressing as a crossdresser. I just go in aggressive and confident as a cross rather reclusive and afraid. I know it’s tough having familiar people possibly see u, but u have to look really pretty, different, and in a way that they dont recognize even if it means to go blonde, sunglasses, with glasse, various hats, etc. That’s kind of my approach in being around in my town since it’s such a small world. Nowadays I just dress and look like a bimbo blonde not only because i’ve alwats been jealous of how sexy blondes look, but it really helps in changing my public appearance really. Usually, I do try to stat awat from the main places, but if u can find a guy to date, maybe then he’d be sure to take of u 😉

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      Ilona
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      As others have said, you need to take care, dress appropriately and, if possible, stay in a group. If you are ‘coming out’ for the first time, I suggest being in a LGBT-friendly venue.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000bgnt is an interesting programme that may indicate possible problems.

      Take care

      Ilona

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      I had to give this some thought before I could answer. I’m no longer embarrassed by the thought of being outed as as dresser; but I do dread the loss of goodwill and respect of several of my (mostly church) friends and acquaintances, for such a flimsy reason.

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      Samantha Joan
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      Being recognised is probably the biggest one for me. Other that, it’s fear for fear itself.

      For me, it would mean having to  “risk assess” places, times etc. Would have  to make sure that I’m dressed appropriately for the venue, such as a coffee shop. Still need that handbag to look passable.

      Would not venture out on my own so would have to have a friend with me too. Hopefully I can gain support and confidence from the community here.

      Samantha x x

       

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      My fears are just like every body else so with that being said  WARING THIS IS JUST A JOKE  THIS JUST A JOKE . Having total mental meltdown on what to wear been arrest for  invoking my right to bare legs with a strapless  a little LBD and stiletto heels  or to smart for being a blond remember this just a joke or  being sucker punched by a woman who think I am her husbands sideline girlfriend now this one is for us 50s retro girls having to call 911 to revive the lady who asked us the name of the doctor who did are breast and we tell her in a voice that sound like Bowzer from SHA NA NA  we got then online from amazon

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      I feel the same way. I don’t want to risk being caught by someone I know. I also don’t think I’m “there yet” when it comes to being able to pass. I need to really learn how to do my makeup before that happens.

       

      That said, I keep thinking about going out. I’m envious of all you gurls that have ventured out on your own.

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      Vicki Smythe
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      Like many have answered it would be outed by someone I knew. But I also worry about how I look and if it’s enough to “pass.”

      I worry about it so much that it keeps me hidden away wishing to go out. Hopefully I will meet some other CDs someday and maybe feel comfortable in a group versus just and individual until I can gain more confidence.

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      Hi Vanessa and Thank you. My biggest fear is not for myself. It would be the regret that I would feel if I was having a date with my wife and I got outed by someone. The questions she would have to answer from friends and family would devastate me. But… you know…..she is a very strong person and would probably laugh it off. So maybe my fear is bit unfounded.

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      I will answer this as an observer. My wife and I were in a restaurant when in walked a gal with her husband? right behind her and they headed straight for a far table. He was in full makeup, dress and heels. The thing that struck me was, she looked did not like it, but he talked her into it and nether were having fun.

      That would be my fear is that my SO and I were not having fun.

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        Danny, I Know exactly what your talking about. I have seen exactly the same thing at Triess Events years ago. The wives would hang out with each other and empathize with each other about their husbands. My analogy is that would I drag my wife to surf fishing or boxing matches? I have accepted that my wife will never participate with this part of me.
        . I know this sounds terrible to some, but itvis true in most of other girls marriages or relationships.

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      It’s been interesting to read what the fear that everyone has. Mine pretty much match a lot of what has been listed. Living in the deep South running into a bunch of pathetic rednecks is high on my list. Same goes for redneck cops. I have been stopped once while in a skirt coming back from a backpacking trip. He made me get out of the Jeep and asked why I have on a skirt. I told him the same reason you are wearing pants to cover my rear end. I then told him it’s a hiking kilt and for some reason he completely changed and asked if it was comfortable. So we discussed why a skirt is more comfortable than pants or shorts for hikes. I didn’t get a ticket but it could have gone the other way too. The other is being recognized by people in my small town. So when I dress up and want to go shopping I have to drive into Atlanta. Still there I am careful about where I go, park and where I walk. I do go to the post office and a few places in my town but not to the mall. I would hate to be seen by my ex wife, she is a racist bitch and a hardcore bigot. She would tell everyone that I and she knows that I am some kind of pervert and watch out being around me. So I am very careful to make sure our path’s do not cross.

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      I feel like most of the others here stated as well, I have two concerns. I’m known really well in the town where I live and scared that if I seen someone that knew me, I would be outed on social media.

      The first thing to me, is that I run a nonprofit in our City. As I feel if I was seen in public dressed as a woman, I would be outed that would effect my nonprofit cause directly.

      And second, if I was involved in a crash like someone else stated, Police, Fire, & EMS would show up. And yes, i’m dressed as a woman. Oh boy, this isn’t going to end well, As I know almost everyone that works in Public Safety in our County, to include being transported to the local ER, I work there. So, this could be a big problem for me.

      But at the same time, I HATE wearing guy clothes anymore. I had to go to a dinner last week and I hated wearing those boring guy clothes. As soon as I got home, they was ripped off and girl clothes was put on.

      Just my thoughts girls. 🙂

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      My worst fear would be. Being caught by a neighbour or somebody that recognised me. I am taking more chances now though. I will go out completely dressed as a woman. The other fear is getting stopped by the emergency services. Especially if I was involved in an accident. Being taken to hospital unconscious, being undressed by a complete stranger. Because, this would probably be done by a young nurse or doctor. But, hoping to continue to overcome my fears, the more I dress as a lady.

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      Getting stopped by law enforcement. I would most likely have had a drink to bolster courage. Now what? OMG the ID does not match the driver. I’ll leave the possible outcomes to your imagination girls.

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      Hello Vanessa; Thank you for posting this question. Mine would be the standard; getting assaulted or murdered.

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      For the longest time I wanted to go out dressed for a drive in the snow.  I was so worried about getting my car stuck somewhere.  Finally I worked up the nerve.  I had on a tweed knee length dress with a thin black belt, black high heel boots, black leather gloves, turtleneck, and a long wool coat.  I felt great.  The roads were horrible.  I got stuck twice.  It was scary, but a rush in a way.

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      At this point the by far the biggest fear would be my wife seeing me and losing her attraction to me, but growing up it was the idea of having to talk about it with my mom. Luckily that didn’t happen after she caught me once, but I feared it would if she ever did again.

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      Stacey Renauld
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      Not realising I’ve tucked the back of my skirt into my tights (pantyhose to you North American gals) and walking around with my butt on display!  Oh the humanity!!!

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      Maria Troup
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      The worst fear I have is wear 4 inch high heel and walking up big hills and large stairs

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        April (Pacific Princess)
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        Actually walking UP hills in 4″ heels is great!  Really levels you out.  Walking DOWN hills in 4″ heels not so much.  Last time I ended up taking my shoes off and walking barefoot down the hill. 😉

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      my biggest and worst fear would be the first one you said being out and about having fun and being recognized by someone who knew me but didn’t know that this was a part of my life I’m not worried about them out in me because I know how I am and I can definitely go word forward and chop people down very quickly without even having to curse I can make people feel very small but yes going out seeing someone that I know and being recognized yeah that scares the living hell out of me it’s never happened though thank God. 💋💋

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      D Giambattista
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      This is not about fear but rather lack of fear.  As I was headed home for some reason I thought I might like to tell my downstairs neighbors about my cross-dressing, maybe show them a picture.  Am pretty certain they would be accepting, they have the blue and yellow bars stickers on their cars.  Just sort of thought I’d like to let them explicitly know that I’m cool with their orientation here in conservative Texas (probably somewhat less conservative here in the Dallas suburbs), though I’m sure they know it implicitly by all the liberal Obama and Sanders and Beto stickers on my wife’s bumper.

      Well wouldn’t you know, when I got home at 9:30pm to go upstairs to our apartment, one of my downstairs neighbors was outside her door, and we had a brief conversation.  Cat’s out of the bag now, and I don’t give a flying rat’s patootie.

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      April (Pacific Princess)
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      I feel for you ladies who are worried about being exposed.  That used to be me.  I was petrified that people I knew would see me.  And I only ventured out in public on Halloween or to costume parties.

       

      However, a few years ago I was lucky enough to have gotten through a suicide attempt and come out the other side with an IDGAF attitude.  I no longer fear who knows, possibly because I have learned to no longer base my worth on the opinions of others.  Luckily my family has been accepting and I have also found that if I present myself in public as if I truly am April – no fear, then others seem to accept me too.  If you really believe in yourself then most others seem to believe in you too (of course I am lucky enough to live in a place as open as Seattle).

       

      I wish you all could find the peace within yourselves to present as the person you truly feel you are.

       

      Hugs,

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      Alicen Thairms
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      My main one is being seen by someone I know or by the neighbours.

      I’m just careful when I go out to keep out of sight of the neighbours (if they are in) and go to places where people I know don’t frequent.

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      Just that, being out in public. I keep vigilant to who might see me eyeballing women’s swimsuits while I am walking around the fishing and camping sections at Dick’s Sporting Goods.

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      I have gone out twice. Both times I was very careful. My biggest fear is seeing someone that I know and they expose it on social media.

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      Rachel Plain
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      In the current political climate in the US, I fear getting attacked by those who buy into the Industrial Hate Complex that some of our leaders sell.

      That’s my fear here in Australia too. For years I’ve been happily out and about with nothing more than the odd funny look (always smile back nicely) or passing comment. But there’s a definite climate brewing where it’s considered OK to have a pop at people who are ‘different’, and I have a nagging worry that one day it will be me on the receiving end.

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      So far I go out semi-femme in shorts, showing a little more leg than regular guy shorts, a pony tail, maybe an ankle bracelet hidden in my thick socks and wear perfume.  My biggest fear is violence.  I have experienced  “stares” by guys. By themselves, that’s all they do, as they are really cowards. In groups, that is the fear, as they may feel more powerful and  act on their hate. I have taken an urban self defense course, and carry weapons (legal), such as a very bright flashlight, keys on a short stick, a linoleum cutter, a monkey fist.  When out and about, I always avoid groups of guys loitering and sometimes think  strategy of how I can use my surroundings as a defense.

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      Terri
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      I first went out in public enfemme in either 1979 or 1980. I remember going to a department store and having a store detective following me around the store. I remembered teenagers making catcalls. Im really the type of person that I really dont care too much about what strangers think. I live in New Yorkon Long Island. I really feel that most people are too busy with their own lives for them to concern themselves with what im wearing. If i get a look i just smile and go about my business. I can’t get out that often due to family commitments. I just enjoy the times i get out.

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      In the current political climate in the US, I fear getting attacked by those who buy into the Industrial Hate Complex that some of our leaders sell.

      It happened here in my town last year, and it made the national news.  Two women were arrested for attacking a mid-transition transgender woman for daring the use the bathroom that matched her presentation.  She was hospitalized and they were hauled off to the nick.

      Even though I can fight back if I need to, I’d really prefer not to ever get into that kind of a situation.

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        The politics of hate seems to be taking over everywhere, it looks like we in the UK will soon have a bigot with with blonde hair in charge soon like you. Keep up the fight. Your pictures are fab by the way.

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      Rachel Williams
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      Vanessa, my worst fear would be getting found out by someone who only knows me in drab mode.  The embarrassment would be too much for me to handle.

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      Kira
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      Vanessa, I think you summed it up for me.

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      Getting outed and getting the crap beat out of me has always been a concern.

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      This is a great question. I would have to say originally my greatest fear of going out in public is worrying about what others might think about me. But the more I go out I realize that one, I don’t care what people think and  two, no one has bothered me to the point that made me feel uncomfortable or embarrassed to be me, and this is what it’s all about… being me! On one particular day I went out to an art museum and shopped at my favorite woman’s clothing store (side note, I go in there quite a bit in my male mode and go to know one of the workers there whom I’ve shared photos of the real me so I feel very welcome shopping there regardless of my appearance). I’ve done this before in the past but on this particular day I  did some shopping at the mall, which I’ve never done dressed and then picked up dinner at my favorite restaurant. It honestly made me feel like there is nothing stopping me from going out the way I truly want to present myself. A few weeks later, my spouse and I went to a zoo in another city. I must admit there were a few butterflies but once we got out of the car I had this feeling of look out world… here I come! I look forward to that next opportunity to get out and be me. Who knows… my place of employment may be that next frontier!

       

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      my most fear of going out in public is my 21 year old son seeing me dressed up for 1, then having neighbors and friends seeing me dressed up. but then how can they tell its me when they are a distance away from me? they cant see my Adams apple! i am all dressed up pretty and passable as much as i can. i am a thin person and when dressed up i look like a female. but the fear is all in our mind and just afraid what will happen will people tell that i am a male dressed up as a female? what will they think and say? its like the question why is the grass green?   i was watching T.V and they had a parade with the l.g.b.t walking proud in  i believe it was Buffalo N.Y, nothing was bad about it and they are proud to walk the streets.     its the generation that has to learn that we all are human and have our own way, either x dressers or gay or trany, lesbian, bi.   who cares we are human just like every one else, except we like to dress up, date men , date woman, big deal we are happy, we are not weird, freaks,  or any other word they can think of. there are people that don’t care what we do and then there are people who start trouble, calling us names.   sticks and stones and brake my bones but names will never hurt me. i am proud to be a x dresser and love every min of dressing up as a female, it helps me with being depressed and panic attacks with out the drugs. when i don’t dress up i feel sick, not happy depressed. when dressed up i feel 100% happy and free, for going out i would have to be careful and go places where no one can see me. even tho wife knows she has set her bandies, but lets me dress up when our son is not home, i have more female cloths then wife does and even wear them more then she does, i even under dress at times when its cold out.  so if you plain on going out be careful and enjoy your feminine side in which all men have but have not found it out yet some have and GOD bless then. the older we get the more we find our feminine side.  i have read just about all the post and do agree on most of them, having a bra on is price less, dressing up is price less also and simulating feeling. getting to feel what real woman go though when dressing up and walking in heels. just don’t walk in dirt with heels you will sink and brake a heel or fall. have a great time being the real person you should of been and be careful and also enjoy the fem side.

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      Well being found out is at the top of my list. I be all need some kind of support group to help us through difficult times.  I  marvel at all my sisters who have the courage to break through the bonds that have kept real freedom of expression bound to the norm of society. I  am 61 years old now and I have kept my crossdressing almost completely private, my son who was on drugs had started stealing from me and found my stash of shoes, I love shoes, dresses,  etc. And then he started using it against me in a malisiouses way. I ended up loosening visitation with the only one person who was important to me,  my granddaughter.  My crossdressing has not hurt a single sole, but it was a place I loved to escape too. I want to go out in public but I am afraid.  I want my makeup to look just righti am overweight and I feel uncomfortable being large. I love my heels and I can’t walk gracefully in them. Bless you all I love your stories. 💋💘

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        April (Pacific Princess)
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        Michelle – So sorry to hear about the troubles with your son.  I am also 61 and have only started dressing again the last 3 years.  I am lucky that all of my kids seem to be accepting, and my youngest daughter even goes out with me.  I know it can be frightening going out, but it is also so liberating.  Knowing that I can truly be myself when out has been a wonderful thing.  I hope your son comes to realize that you are hurting no one and that all he is doing is depriving his daughter of a loving grandfather with his behavior.  I am sad for you, and hope that it gets resolved.  Be strong hon.

        Hugs,

        April

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        Lori Stark
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        I want to go out in public but I am afraid. I want my makeup to look just right. I am overweight and I feel uncomfortable being large. I love my heels and I can’t walk gracefully in them. Bless you all. I love your stories.

        Michelle – What a beautiful and touching post! Do things your own way, at your own pace. Practice at home in your heels — there is no rush. There is no right way or wrong way, and you will always find love and acceptance here.

        Luv,
        Lori 💋

        PS: I’m so sorry about your experience with your son. Drugs are a scourge and while they may change a persons behavior — they don’t change who you are. Remember the high ground is forgiveness.

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        Michelle,

        Your story touched me deeply. I’m sorry to learn about the division between you and your son, and how it has interfered with your relationship with your granddaughter.

        However, let me relate a funny story about walking in high heels that may bring a smile to your face. A few years ago, I was walking from my car on a gravel parking lot to get into a club. Two men were standing just outside of the club talking: and I was doing my best to inconspicuously walk past them and into the club. Well, just a few steps short of my destination, one of my heels got tangled up with the loose gravel, and I fell right down on my knee with my mini skirt flying! The two men immediately rushed over to me and asked if I was alright. With my best bravado, I simply stated that the only thing hurt was my pride! 🙂

        I wobbly got up on my heels and wobbly walked into the club. But you know what? A couple of drinks and about an hour later, I had forgotten all about the incident and was having a good time! So you keep on perfecting your walk in heels safely at home, even if nowhere else!

        Hugs,

        Tabitha B.

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      I have been making myself over for the better part of 25 years now at least 1 time a month and I have only been out it public to a park, well 2 parks I went with my daughter and 2 year old grandson . The first park had a lot of traffic and I was so worried people would notice I was a male so after about 10 mins we left and went to a park where no one was. It felt good to be out and about but I also felt better that no one was there.

      Next week we are going to head to a lgbt bar. My goal is to pass as a woman but my fear is I will not and embarrass myself, I have looked in my closet many times now and nothing I see looks like something to wear most of what I have is form fitting or very dressy and 4” heels or mini skirts…. I am so worried I will just fail for my first time truly out in a public place.

      I am not going out to pick up someone either as I am married to a wonderful woman but yet I want to pass as a woman …. by next weekend I will chicken out and all my worrying will be for nothing any way.

      maybe I am meant to be a home bound weekend woman… who knows. So as you can see I have many fears.

       

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        Trinity I have to know…. how did it go at the LGBT bar ?
        Don’t leave me hanging !
        As far as passable goes, your profile pic is definitely passable and as someone said recently….. I wish I remembered who…… if you don’t see yourself as passable you need to see yourself as acceptable.
        -Hugs
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        Trinity, I used to worry I would see someone who knows me as a drab man, that i would not pass as a woman. Then I began to admit to myself that I am a transexual and I am proud to be one, and that I want others to know me as one. So now i go out of my way to greet those i know so they too can say they know a transexual woman. Odd too, they usually dont know it is me walking up to them. So much for being afraid somone we know will see us.

        julie

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      April (Pacific Princess)
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      I no longer fear going out.  I am careful where I go, but I don’t fear being seen.  I actually don’t care who knows anymore.  And it has been liberating.  What I have found is that most people are open and welcoming.  I am open with them and they treat me well.  I have rarely encountered a hostile attitude, and if I do then I just leave.  There are so many people that are accepting and loving.

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        I once ventured out, late at night, to a store, and waited in the truck, while my significant went inside to shop. A truckload of dudes pulled in, and of course, parked next to us. I couldn’t sink any lower into the seat, or find hiding behind the B-pillar. I was caught. They weren’t heinous, rude, or malicious. Curiosity had gripped them, and I  was grilled with questions. My simple reply was, it is AWESOME! TRY IT!

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        Inam going out for the first time next week. I have a makeover scheduled at Macy’s and the an appointment with the personal shopper. I have a new wig, very pretty yellow dress and some adorable sandals. I also have new unmentionables and a signature fragrance (Versace). I am confident. I will smile. I think I look pretty good. I will see what happens. Thanks April for your story. I totally agree with you.

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      I suppose for myself as an full time out and about TS..my greatest fear would be violence, I still have that Bravo attitude with no physicality to back it up..It’s a sobering thought.

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      Fear of the unknown is a very real thing.  But, most of the horror is just in our imagination.

      I no longer fear being found out.  Most people are accepting and even curious.  As long as my responses are open and positive, others feel free to accept me.

      I wear women’s clothes almost 24/7 while presenting as a man. I even help lead worship at my church dressed this way.  I smile no matter what people say about it, and all is good.  We love each other and have fun with it. I’ve shared about my enfemme times with some of the ladies, no problem.

      I got my ears pierced and even the pastor had a positive comment!

      In a group setting, one fellow (a Lutheran minister) said, “Those look like women’s shoes!”  I said, “That’s because they are!”  He said, “I don’t care.”  Wow.

      I’ve  prepared myself for chance encounters with the neighbors when going out enfemme.

      I find that if you are not defensive, people are comfortable with you, even if they don’t approve.

      It always amazes me how little disapproval I encounter.

       

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      I have recently had problems booking events on Meetup. An event organiser said she had used her name to book my place for a pub quiz team. I asked if I’d have to wear a flowery dress. She said “Yes and a blonde wig.” I liked this idea, even though she was joking. As some team members have made mildly transphobic comments, I’ll wear my sad rags on Tuesday as I’m afraid of being rebuked and rejected in a noisy pub.

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        Probably a good idea Ilonna but its a darned shame the phobics comments are stopping you wearing the flowery dress and wig. Hope you enjoy the quiz though. I love em.

        Take care

        Anne-Marie.

         

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      Another “close call”.  Was in hybrid mode, gurl jeans tapered at the ankle, panties, cammie (under my shirt), very opaque hose and my gurl loafers.   Me and the SO were at a grocery store and we are in line and there ahead of us is an old acquaintance I had not seen in years, and someone I would have never thought I would run into in my neck of the woods (but came to realize he does live in our town!).

      He said “hey (my guy name) how’s it going, long time no see!”  Goodness I almost froze, but composed myself.  Luckily for me, my SO and our shopping cart was between he and I, so I hide behind the cart as much as I could.  I kept my gaze directly to his eyes, so as not to let him “stray”, and possibly realize what I was wearing!  Forgetting completely to introduce him to my SO!  Just kept the small talk short, but I was trying not to give myself away.

      He finished checking out and went on his way.  I was relieved, but now I have to think about the possibility of coming across him again, in a more “exposed” environment.

      Ugh!  It can be stressful to be a gurl!

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      My biggest fear would be that I would never want to be anywhere else ~~!!!  Once I knew I could pass in public, I would constantly be in public, clubs, shopping, etc, and SO would have to be there so there would be NO ‘private’ events while out in public………..know what I mean ?

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      wow, good question! I really don’t fear being recognized too much,  I think I decided long ago that though being discovered would be embarrassing it would also be liberating, nothing to hide anymore. The thing that scares me the most is getting into an accident or the car breaking down. I dread the idea of having to call roadside assistance or fill out a police report or deal with any one of the countless crappy things that can happen when you leave your door.

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        Rene, all those things you feared happened to me. I have been going out on and off since 1979. Nothing happened. I think my insurance agent found out I was dressed as a female but never said anything about it. Sometimes our biggest fears are reall not anything to worry about. When I go out as Terri I concentrate on having a good time. Of course I’m careful.

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      I’m deep in the closet and while I have been out in the open it hasn’t really in public since it never been a public place or so (walk paths around park late night and so on) but in my mind I have created a list of fear levels.
      (Wife knows and see me all the time so that is not on the list)

      • 6 – Someone see me in distance – not really an issue since they probably can’t see anything
      • 5 – Someone see me a bit closer – still not really an issue since they probably don’t see that it’s a man that wears that dress/skirt and heels.
      • 4 – Someone see me close enough to recognize me if they knew me – not to bad since we hopefully never meet again. I guess store clerk would fit this but I never been in a store dressed.
      • 3 – Someone I know (close or acquaintance) see and recognize me – now we have a problem. Never happened but besides that I maybe could explain it with some excuse it would possible be releaving to leave the closet.
      • 2 – Our kids see me – a bit like above but I would probably not even try any excuse and I kind of hope it will happen but have promised my wife and my self that I won’t purposely forget my heels out or risk discovery to much.
      • 1 – Finally, the biggest fear – some of our kids friends see and recognize me as “it’s XXs dad dressed as a woman”. I would expect our kids have some problem in school then and that was always my biggest fear since it wouldn’t be much I could do about it. Now they are grown up and way beyond school so this fear is not as high.

      I have had 6,5 and 4 but never beyond that.

       

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      Being recognised by someone who knows me is the obvious one.

      But although my wife knows, she doesn’t know how into it i really am or how extensive my wardrobe is. If she knew i go out in public when walking the dog it would be game over.

      My greatest fear is that i will die suddenly or later in hospital or be killed in an accident. My wardrobe would  be discovered eventually and i will be outed to wife and children without having the chance to try and explain.  I worry that my children’s  memory of me will be tainted for the rest of their lives.

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        Stephanie-even if you never decide to tell them in person, if you are truly worried about discovery after death, you might try writing a note to them explaining everything and reassuring them of your love and keep it with your things.. That way if/when it does happen, at least you will have explained it and who knows-writing it all down might eventually lead you to share it wit them in person before then. Just my thoughts!
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        I understand your fears Stephanie.  My children are all grown and out of the house, but I was still scared to death before telling them.  However, my worst fears never came to pass.  Maybe it’s because my children were raised in an open, fairly liberal environment, or that a close childhood and college friend of my son’s came out as trans a few years ago, but all three of my children have accepted April, and my youngest daughter actually goes out with me (although it is odd having her call me “dad” at times when I’m dressed 😉 )

        Even my wife is slowly coming around.  At first she couldn’t stand seeing me dressed, but after 3 years she doesn’t mind and actually has gone out with me once when I was dressed and shopped with me.

        I would never pretend to know your own family enough to anticipate how they would take your revelation, but perhaps it might be better to open up to them while you have a chance to tell them on your own terms and in your own way.

        I hope it works out for you.

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      My biggest fear was being recognized, outed, or having to speak. I don’t really worry about the first two things anymore, but I still haven’t spoken to anyone while dressed yet. Maybe someday soon, spring is coming up soon hopefully.

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      This happened just last Oct

      so my gf leaves town for 5 days, our deal is I am not supposed to go out dressed in our hometown

       

      anyway, I step uotside heading to my car and hear a door slam behind me. Crap, its Kate the biggest blabbermouth in the Apt complex and a friend.

       

      Ih well, its over right?   Nooooo

       

      i go to McDs drive thru just to get a diet coke. Nothing can happen right?  Noooo

      2 cars behind me is my girl friends sister in law looking right at me. Did she notice me? Shes never said anything if so

       

      also inside was a waitress from our fav restaurant looking my way.  Shes never said anything either

       

      oh well.  Im good w it

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      I suppose getting stopped by the police is a bit of a fear; not that I care who finds out, I just don’t want to get pulled over by a cop if he happens to be a gun toting neanderthal.  Or get thrown into a men’s jail cell when dressed.

      But in general, my only real fear these days is that I will be inappropriately dressed for the occasion, or that I’ll get a big run in my stocking.  It helps to get to be of a certain age (61), and having also come through a suicide attempt makes me see how pointless all my worrying has been.

      Once I opened up and let my joy at being April come through, 99% of all the people I’ve met have treated me wonderfully.

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      My fear is that some kids will make a video and it will go viral-maybe recording from behind whilE I’m walking. Then the cats out of the bag once my face is captured

      I do not fear for one second being targeted by some guys trying to do me harm. I actually wish this would happen. Please let this happen. I would love to take care of them. I would talk them through it then as they are trying to recover, I would have a heart to heart. Being calm through the whole ecxperience then call the local dispatcher to let them what happened and where I disposed of there pistol or weapons.

       

      -JO

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        Hello Jena.

        I’m confused about your comments on February 4th.

        Your worst fear is that some kids will make a video that may go viral and capture your face. I can understand this.

        Meanwhile, you want to be targeted by some guys trying to do you harm and to take care of them. Apart from the possibility of being severely harmed, how do you think the media would react? I suspect that your face would appear in the media. Unfortunately, not all the media is LGBT friendly and if the incident resulted in a court case, don’t be surprised if a lot of your personal details would be revealed, leading to ostracism from some of the people you know. It would be good to have a heart to heart with reasonable people, but it would be better not to get into a confrontation with prejudiced people, especially those with pistols or other weapons.

        Take care

        Ilona

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      Being seen by somebody I know.  I have had a few close calls in life, one time I was at a gas station and my neighbor pulled up. Fortunately, she did not recognize my car, in fantasy I wish she would have. She was really really hot and thoughts I played out at times with her 😉 Overall I think I would not be recognized, enough of a difference plus I don’t think anyone looks at someone and says, that kinda looks like …. wait a minute.

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        One time i was dressed driving on a one lane parkway and i see my brother driving 2 cars in front of me. There was no place to pull over. Luckily he didn’t see me. He would have definitely recognized my car. As soon as i could i pulled over .

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      beign

      recognized

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      As with other posts, physical or sexual abuse. Which is why I’ve hardly ever been out at night. There is a pub here in Melbourne that has regular CD nights. I’ve checked out the location and its all a bit too insecure for me..

      I’m not fussed about a stranger “clocking” me. Just smile and keep walking. Yes the perennial “flock of teenage girls” in a shopping mall would be a worry, but if I turned on them and yelled “Security” that should slow ’em down a bit

       

      Caty

       

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      I keep my feminine side hidden from my family and friends who wouldn’t understand.  My worst fear when going out is that something will happen to me that would result in any of those people finding out.  If I got in injured in a car accident, for example.

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      “Dude Bros” are my biggest fear!  They constantly have to prove how “manly” they are, & would think nothing of beating up on girls like us.
      Being forced into a sexual situation is another big one.
      Sorry, I had to modify this.
      My ABSOLUTE biggest fear, is car trouble in a small backwards thinking town!
      I NEVER want to be in that situation!  I’d simply call the motor club, & have the car towed to the next big city,  & follow in an Uber  (I don’t care how far it is!!).

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        Bobbie omg I have had car troubles in okc while out in the town.  I was soooo scared but the cop and tow truck driver was so nice!  Got me.out of the road and the tow truck driver carried my stuff from the car to my room.  The people making funny of me at the hotel didnt bother me as much as being starnded!

         

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    • #141119
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      I’m finding this varies a lot, my fears that is.

      This morning I’m able to dress a bit more again (in hybrid/stealth mode), as most of our holiday company has left.

      I put on my very skinny jeans this morning, in a wonderful burgundy color, that I had not worn in a while.  Tights underneath.  They are shorter than I recall and after the holidays, a little tighter than I remember!  HA!  But seriously,

      Wearing my booties too but my tights do show.  I went out this morning and one person (whom I didn’t mind noticing) noticed and smiled.  My SO however is just waking and will see me eventually.  We are also going out shopping for (male) shoes today as I need some, and I still intend to keep my tights on.

      My fear is what my SO might say or even thing in private (to herself) about how I look today.  I guess that is a constant fear however.

      It’s tough for us gurls to feel so good dressed, with that underlying and fearful feeling.

      It’s like a cake that has great frosting on the outside, but the filling is not so great!

      Love and Hugs to you all!

      Rebekka

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      My worse fear going out in public is being seen and recognized.  After hitting bottom due to health issues I have finally landed in a decent place and many local friends.  I am a respected man in my community and if my secret got out it would be more or less the end of the world for me.

      My friends would not be able to handle it, I would be akin to being a leper.   I would likely be ridiculed and isolated.  I would be hurt as I hurt those around me.  So when I do go out it is almost like a spy thriller, barely missing getting caught while I try to get me and my things out of town.  I have to plan my get away.  I only go out to a safe place, a gay bar, about 20 miles away.

      I am lucky enough that I have a gay friend who lets me get dressed at his place before going to the club.  But even at the gay club it can happen.  I was there one evening watching the show and I notice a cute girl in the audience and recognized her as a bar tender from one of my local bars.  Thank god she did not see me.

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      Faint
      Around twenty yaers ago I still have the habit to go out dressed.
      I did not have  this extra 50lbs, I was not yet married, I work shifts 4 to 5 days a week and I was free out out of workplace at time others are on workplace. But my dad just passed, I lost career chances, and I had to leave the town where I worked for ten year: only option was come back to my home town.

      One day I was kissing my first male after dating him for almost an year. We know each other since we were at college and we liked to talk a lot since then. And nothing else. He was working in another nearby town as a doctor. That day I was nicely dressed with a black polka white dot dress, dark grey matte pantyhose and my first ever knee-high boots. My maquillage ability was not yet at its best so a dear woman made her best on me.
      I have spent hours of a lovely afternoon walking talkinf and laughing in city gardens. I feel myself soft, ready to be eaten as a nice pie showing its best shape and colour in shop window. So we sat on a bank and we have our first kiss. shy kiss on lips, with our shy breathing. Kiss after kiss we start exploring lips surfaces, find teeth and met eachother tongues.

      And then while staring at him I fainted. It was told me. I still have no memory of this detail
      In those months I fainted,with not found reasons, dozen of times.
      My dear doctor solve the situation with prompt proper reactions as lifting my legs.

      It was such a fear to reach hospital crossdressed when fainted, that even if faint events disappear in just some months, a year perhaps, I have not crossdressed in public since then.

       

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        Hello Rose Anna Papa. I find hospitals to be one of the safest places to cross dress. I ask staff before attending an appointment and nobody seems that bothered. In 2017, I was an inpatient in a hospital. I asked if I could wear a nightdress instead of pyjamas and enjoyed being cross dressed in public for 6 days. I have ‘come out’ to several people and wore a dress to chair a meeting. I try to take into account the views of others; some friends have not been happy to be told that I cross dress and I am worried about the reaction of relatives.

        I am worried about the possibility of being seen by someone I know if I cross dress in public. The media often treats cross dressing as a joke, so I wouldn’t want to appear in an article that could be read by people I know. I’m not worried about being cross dressed in hospital and I have told a GP that I cross dress.

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      Physical or sexual abuse.

      I am not as fit as I was, and it’s a while since I attended Tai Kwon Do classes.

      Apart from that, nothing. I feel only excitement and a feeling of continual satisfaction, bursting out and a real love for and interest in things and people around me when dressed – it’s like being properly alive.

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        Wow, I wrote that back in January!

        I nailed that one.

        Didn’t realise it gets better and better, stronger and stronger – I wouldn’t describe it as a rush, but it’s a higher state of consciousness for sure.

        And other people just get more interesting.

        Amazing!

        Love Laura

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      Being recognized by someone from school…Its one of the reasons I go to all the events at my BF’s school and  not mine..

      Morgan

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      Hi Vanessa. Ohhhhh! my biggest fear going out in public? well, ive still that treat yet to come, so I shall treat this from a hypothetical point of view. I shall list my biggest fears in numerical order from 1 to 5, 1 being the worst, 5 being the least.

      1. Just going out of the door!

      2. Anybody seeing me!

      3. Somebody I know recognises me.

      4. Very public places such as shops, parks, pubs etc.

      5. Passing (or not passing in my case).

      I think the scenarios above are probably what put a lot of people off at first. Of course as you pointed out, they may never happen, but its fear of the unknown, just like many activities we do, completely unrelated to dressing femme. Its human nature to worry and say ‘what if such a thing happens’ but dressing femme is a powerful emotion and activity, eventually, true grit determination grabs us by the waist and pulls most of us out of that door!

      Fiona xxx

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      Texas does not have a non-discrimination law, so the LGBT community is fair game to anyone.  I am out practically everyday.  My biggest fear is being physically assaulted.  i have learned to walk carrying my keys in my hand, checking my car.  I also carry pepper-spray and a small taser.  Fortunately, I never had to use them.  I have been stopped by police for having a tail-light out.  He was professional and courteous and asked me what pronouns I preferred.

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      I’m not as shy as i once was. Most peoples opinion of me don’t carry the weight they used to and strangers can think what they like, but living in a smaller community most people that actually know me also know those that are close to me. I feel that I as an individual have the right to make choices that make me happy, so long as those choices don’t infringe on others rights it shouldn’t matter to them. I’m a big girl now who can for the most part defend my own choices and get my point of view accross one way or another if I feel its worth doing. My concerns arise from what might be said to, and the affect on their relationships due to association, for my children and those close to me who whether they support my choices or not are put into the uncomfortable position of trying to defend me. Because of my love and respect for them, and their right to happiness I am forever careful of my exposure to this judgemental world we live in. I’m all for showing others that we are here and don’t need to be feared as freaks but i choose to do this away from home where it is less likely to affect my loved ones.

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      Like many of you, when I’m dressed, I find myself more cautious about who is around me and on guard for any negative, potentially risky reactions. I never feel this way as a guy, something about my female persona feeling a little vulnerable.

      My other fear is running into in-laws or co-workers.

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      I am so afraid of being caught, that the thought of someone I know seeing me, except one gf that knows, and someone recording me, and it ending up on the net for others to view.

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      I have no fear any more.  My wife went on a 4 night coach trip break to Torquay with a girl friend on Monday mainly aimed at the over 60’s age group, Tuesday she was taken ill and after an operation is still now in Intensive Care in an Induced Coma.  I came down Tuesday evening and I’m staying in her hotel room with said old people.

      I have dressed in hybrid mode all woman’s clothes including bra, makeup, all nails painted and earrings, only male thing is a shirt with all buttons undone.  No one has said anything negative, just asked how my wife is doing.  Even her friend who does know I dress said I looked pretty even though I needed to shave and was not wearing a wig.

      No one cares these days, I thought I would have met a lot who would have questioned how I dressed, but nothing.  You are who you are, they see I love my wife and that is all that matters.

      I hope I don’t close this thread as no one has posted since I post about my current dress in this thread: https://www.crossdresserheaven.com/forums/topic/so-what-are-we-wearing/

      Jean

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      Great question and comments as usual on CDH!

      My biggest fear has been running into someone I know, or being hassled by someone I don’t know, in that order.

      I’ve never been out fully dressed, but go half and half, wearing womens jeans and shoes, which seem to be pretty obvious to most.  I’ve run into one person I know (recently), but I don’t think she really noticed anything.

      I just try to be very careful, and keep a look out over my shoulder.  That is about all I can do.

      I’m really heartbroken for those who have had worse experiences, but know we are always here to listen.  It’s not much, but certainly a good outlet for us all.

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      Getting physically or sexually assaulted for dressing like a woman, or being mugged. As someone who has been victim of sexual assault/abuse/molestation and rape, these are huge fears… i sometimes still greak out some times in public thinking someone is going to assault and rape me again… other than that, probably running into friends or family! Ive been caught by a couple girlfriends wearing their clothes and heels, and its scary! Lucky both times they were ok with it, and even told me they didnt mind if i dressed as a girl, a few times it even crossed over into our sexual activities, which was super freaking hot!!! My last one liked to pretend we were lesbians!

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      In all honestly, my worst fear is the public itself. Most people judge what they don’t understand. Also everybody has video camera in their cell phone where they can just record you for no reason. But other than that, I’m comfortable dressing up at home in private. An when ever pride day rolls around. Then I can just go out and be myself.

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      <p style=”margin: 0in 0in 10pt;”><span style=”color: #000000; font-family: Times New Roman;”>Not all countries are alike. When I lived in the US I went out many times. But now I am a Missionary working in Central America where I have been for 15 years now. I am in a 3rd world country where being gay carries a longer prison sentence than murder, and all crossdressers are considered gay. If a crossdresser is discovered out something bad usually happens to her. Just recently a crossdresser school teacher had her throat slit when she was found out. The police did nothing because they consider it good for her. I know another young grossdresser who was beaten several times for going out in public. She finally died this past year at age 22, they called it a suicide. Even police get involved in the beatings. And so a crossdresser must stay in the closet, or risk her life. It is sad how things are in some of these 3rd world countries. Not at all like the US.</span></p>
       

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        Thanks Hananiah. Your information is the saddest I’ve read on Crossdresser Heaven. A doctor said that if I wore a dress in my local area, I would be at risk. I don’t want to be beaten up, but the idea of being killed for wearing a dress is frightening. I hope you keep safe and can wear whatever clothes you want.

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      As far as being recognized, none of my friends would know me dressed as a woman. I also look so much younger.

      My fear would be forgetting my voice and using my male one. I have sort of a high pitched voice and have feminized it quite a bit.

      The other would be an incident  would happen where the police would be involved, like an accident, an attack by someone or being a witness to a crime.

      I feel pretty safe when I am a woman but……….

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        Many of the replies on this forum express a fear of being dressed and have a incident involving the police. I am retired law enforcment and as far as i know there is no law against being crossdressed. In the early 60’s there were laws against it, but not now.My advice that if you are stopped by a police officer is to answer his questions truthfully and you shouldnt have a problem.

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        • #100132
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          I have ventured out more and more over that last 2 years – mostly thanks to 2 female friends.  They have challenged me and supported me on a few outings.  We 3 have been to a casino, a few restaurants, a dance club (gay bar, but still), we even went to the next big city over and spent a night in a motel.  All of this while in Julie Mode.  I now venture out alone – day or night – but much like visits to the Ladies Room, I prefer to go in a group!

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      The fear of being recognized, easily. I’ve only been out a few times, and an incident at a local park two weeks ago almost made me give up on hopes of going out further at the time, but I just chalked it up to just that one incident and vowed I would not let that affect me. I am getting restless about being closed off, and I took  a pretty good step last night in making the effort to go out more.

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      I just came out to my wife as a cd a cpl months ago. She’s still getting use to it. At 1st I told her I didn’t want to go out in public, but now that I’m getting more confident, I would like to stray from the house at night to somewhere that isn’t crowded ( just to build more confidence). She isn’t ready for that yet. She’s more scared that someone might judge her for being with me. She doesn’t like shopping with me for girl things, so I’m kinda forced to shop online. I did go out one day and buy a cpl of dresses without her and I could see ppl staring at me at times. I was so nervous. I’m made up a story that it was for my wife when asked if I needed help by an employee. They were very nice and made me feel like they believed me and there was no judgement. I think my wife will eventually warm up to going out and will take me out in public for a girls night. I grew up where I live and I’m definitely afraid I’ll run into someone I know. But the excitement of going out in public is really getting to me, and I’m not sure how much longer and can feel like an animal trying to be free of a cage.

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      I am not sure what to say, I have been on the road  while dressed only twice in my life. Every time I loved the excitement of being fully dressed and made up while I drove around town but the fear of being seen by my neighbors made me stop

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      I’ve never been in public yet other than Halloween when its ok to be someone else.. But even then I turned alot of heads and had people look at me different and that totally freaked me out.. So now iam scared to take that real first step

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      Hi Everybody,

      I definitely had to reply to this Question. My worst fear would be meeting some one that I knew. Well it happened just last week but I think I handled it well. I was visiting another City   for a pub night with some other CDs and TG Folks. Since I had not dressed fully in a while I decided to stay an extra day and walk around the City Dressed and enjoy the Experience. Well I was out in the afternoon for a walk. I was standing Looking at the advertising in a store front. I turned to start walking again in the direction I was going and Who is walking in the direction toward me ? ( My Brother In Law ) I am Guessing Here. But maybe 10 to 15 Feet away from me. At first I felt the Anxiety Quickly. But I calmly turned to my side and looked over to the opposite street. Well as calm as one could be. I waited for him go by. and then turned and started to walk in the direction I was going. I did not turn around to see if he was looking back. Since I was going back to my room anyways That is were I kept on going to. Of course it is normal to wonder if He made me. But I don’t think so as my glasses are a darker shade in the daylight and the bangs from my wig were over the lens at the time and I was completely in Fem and turned to the side at that Moment. It is funny but it shook me up a little and at the same time it did not.

      I was thinking well if I am outed.  Then I am outed. fear and relief in some ways. But I should mention I did wait till nearly dark to go out and have a bite to eat. But after that I still walked around the City some and I did stay dressed. Nothing was going to change that. I don’t know if was made or not. part of me cares and part of me doesn’t. I never mentioned it to my wife. I just don’t want her to worry about it. my brother in law probably would not care anyways. he is pretty open mined. It is just I would rather do the outing of my self My on my terms. In the end I guess it did not effect me that much as I stopped and did girl shopping on the way home the next day.

      Hugs, to all.

      Amanda

       

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      I have never been out in public dressed as my “alter ego”; however, last month or so, I drove around the block late one evening dressed in a cute white top with tight blue jeans and white wedges. I was nervous because of the fear of being pulled over so I drove cautiously and I made slight mistake by going five over and was passed by a sheriff deputy, although that’s my normal speed my heart raced. I would like to go out one evening because my dress game is on fleek but I need to work on my make up game. I cannot seem to find the right shade of concealer, but I have just about everything else.

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      i went to a cross dressing meeting one year, was all dressed up with male cloths over them, went to meeting place, put on my make up and perfume and heels, then walked out of truck to meeting place, i was in wrong room and no one said a thing, when i knew i was in wrong room i found the right one and walked in and was greeted with open arms

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      When I first went out I was petrified of being recognized in public…have come to realize that with wig and makeup you’d have to really look close to have an idea that it was me.  Also have gotten to the point where it wouldn’t be the end of the world if someone did!

       

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      Surprisingly, I never had a strong desire to pass as a women in public. I have done it and always felt uncomfortable simply because I’ve never been able to master a convincing women’s voice.  I did most of my passing when I was married. My wife would insist, which I found odd considering I knew she didn’t really like me crossdressing, taking a drive to the fast food place as two girls. She would drive, a I be the passenger. Sometime she became so nervous that I would have to drive back home: not an easy task when you’re wearing spike heels.

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      I long to go out in public… I probably will in another city (as I plan). Vanessa, you asked about our biggest crossdressing fear… My worst fear is dying! I am in the closet, and I do not want people in there looking through my stuff! My 19 yr old daughter is gay, and I don’t even want her to know!!

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      One of the people in my LGBT group is very convincing and I haven’t seen her being ‘read’, because she dresses her age. I would like there to be more equality, so that a man wearing a dress is not considered to be more unusual than a woman wearing trousers. In the UK, there have been several programmes about whether trans-women should be able to use women’s toilets, as some women feel they would be at risk. As far as I know, there are no cases of trans-women attacking women in women’s toilets, but there are cases of men attacking trans-women in men’s toilets. As I suffer from various abdominal problems, the problem of toilet use is a major factor about my going out dressed. Which toilets do I use if I feel desperate?

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      Vanessa, I think that is my exact fear.  That I will be recognized and someone will out me to my parents, kids and job and my life as well as my wife’s life will come crashing down.  I know from some other incidents that me being recognized is very slim but still remains my biggest fear.

      Sara

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      My worst fears out in public would be bumping into people I know, I feel so beautiful and sexy in my clothing and I think my body works in girls clothes, but I’m scared I might bump into somebody I know, or someone might approach me and highlight that I’m a guy dressed as a girl. Since first dressing as a girl, all I’ve wanted to do, is go out to shops and try on other girls clothing. It would be amazing.

      I once walked along the road while ‘en femme’ and some people looked at me, the odd person passing in their cars as well and I said to myself “they know!” so it was a little scary for me. But I want to do it more, do it again.

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      Yes getting pulled over or having an accident.. But locking my self out of the house or car is up there. I did lose my ID at the TV bar once, some how I got it back. Once I was actually shopping near a neighbor 20 miles away, heard her voice and had to turn away quick. So fear of being recognized by someone also is on the list.

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      My worst fear is to be recognized as a man. I have gone out as Adeline twice now and the second time I got what I perceived to be stares from a couple of women in the grocery store.  I also worry about being stopped by the police while driving. On the other hand when someone addresses me as madam or miss, it makes my day.

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      I keep reading, that many of the girls, are afraid to be stopped by the police. Why??? If you are not breaking the law, there should be nothing to worry about. If it’a against the law, where you live, to dress in female clothes, then yes, you should be afraid. The only thing I can think to be afraid of, would be, if they thought you were hooking. I hope, this helped some. All of you, stay PRETTY…

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        Hi everyone and many thanks to Veronica for this reminder. Depending on where you live, and I live in the Paris region in France, there is usually no law against going out dressed as one wishes, as long as there is no indecent exposure nor soliciting involved. So courage prevailing, there should be no fear of being pulled over by the police for the sole reason on being dressed as a girl/lady.

        I am probably a fairly lucky girl (not such a young chicken any more) because here, I can pretty much live my life “en femme” and do all the usual things one would do such as everyday shopping, clothes shopping, going to the local street market, cinema, theatre, shooting off down-town on public transport for exhibitions and shows, in short a normal life and all as a lady.

        I read also that some of our girl friends on CDH do fear being seen by the neighbours. I too had that problem initially here in the residential block where I live. After mulling it over for a while, the solution ultimately was quite simply to invite all the nearby neighbours to cocktails at my place. They were able to meet Isabelle, the ice was then broken and now there are no hang-ups either for me or for them. If I am honest about it, once I had sent out the invitation, I really was nervous about it but in the thrall of organising the cocktail, planning my dress and make-up, all was forgotten and the evening went off really well …. a huge relief actually to throw off the shackles. A dash of carefree thinking, a huge dose of courage, and now I often go out with the neighbouring girls and ladies to dinner or just for drinks and so on in our local neighbourhood.

        I guess in the end, it all comes down to how we think others will perceive us and our fears probably originate there. My friendly advice, and I do recognize that we all have our own specific circumstances, by simply acting normally as if there were nothing amiss, then we will be perceived as normal and will just blend in.

        Hugs to all

        Isabelle

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      The first time out, I went clubbing. At 1:30 I was driving home, when it dawned on me, that I didn’t have anything to take the makeup off. I had to go to another town to find a place to buy whatever I needed. I also had no idea, what to get. I parked my car, and sat there for maybe a minute, wondering what people might say. Even though, it was going on 2:00, there were a lot of cars parked there. I went in, and walked up to the cashiers counter, where a young man was at, and asked him where I could find items to take my makeup and nail polish off. He looked at me, and never batted an eye, and told me what isle to go to. At that point, all the nervousness left me, and I felt alive.I knew I had to get nail polish remover, and found that with no problem. Then I was looking for something called wipes, and couldn’t find them. During this time, customers walked by me, and if they saw me as a man, there was nothing said, and not even any stares. Then a lady who worked there, came up to me, and said, “Excuse me mam, you look lost. May I help you?” I turned and looked at her, and told her what I was looking for. She said, “Oh, you’re in the wrong isle. Follow me.” We walked three isle’s over, and she picked up a pack of wipes, and handed them to me. Then she said, “I love your blouse, where did you get it?” I told her, she thanked me, and we parted. After paying, and leaving, I got in the car, and sat there for a couple minutes, smiling. That smile, lasted all the way home. Ladies, did I feel good…

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      Being, laughed at.

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      Hi Terri,

      My worst happening was after I got used to dressing I bought myself a beautiful high waisted white satin corset, it was hook back and boned with 6 suspenders. At the Mall I was took short and had to go into the female toilets. It was a warm day and I wore just a tight sweater, skirt, stockings and heels and I felt really secure and as I came out I went to the mirror to put on the usual lippy. Suddenly, a woman came up behind me in the mirror and said “excuse me dear, your sweater has caught up in the top of your girdle”. I was so shocked and just mumbled “oh thank you” tugging the sweater down over the corset top. I think I blushed all the way home. Have you had any experiences like that?

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      I’m sorry that I forgot to tell you how I got on in a local park. I met my colleague from the mental health group and got changed behind a few trees. It was a windy day and I had problems keeping my straw hat and wig on. At one stage, they fell backwards off my head, but nobody in the park seemed to show any concern, although a couple of children gave me some funny looks. I think my colleague was right about the time we met. If we’d met an hour later, some of the children from local schools may have visited the park and I would have been more apprehensive. I got changed again behind the trees before leaving the park with my colleague. It was an enjoyable experience, but since then, my public en-femme experiences have been inside buildings.

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      My biggest fear now is still using the ladies restrooms in public places like a mall.  Although I do my best to blend in for my age (55), I have little desire to use the men’s room and get assaulted.

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      Getting arrested.  Book in photos are published here.

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      My worst worry used to be that a member of my family would see me, but the family has drifted into different ways and I don’t go to the areas where they might be. I am a member of a TG/TV group at the VA hospital and most of the VA staff are very supportive.

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      I am afraid of using the bathroom I don’t know which one to use where I feel comfortable. So I try not to drink, and only smoke pot ( which is legal here). Pot makes me feel at ease and more open to talking to people. But I still talk in my normal deep voice and try not to talk feminine.

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      I wore a dress for an interview for a mental health group. The interviewer has invited me to visit a local park and said I can wear a dress. This will be the first time I have met someone outside, while en-femme. There are no toilets in the park, which is quite open, so I shall probably be openly wearing a dress when I leave my flat and travel to the park. I hope I don’t meet any of the other tenants on my journey. I shall take a pair of trousers in my bag, just in case. I can let you know how I get on.

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      Hi girls. Mine is being seen by someone i know. I work as a nurse in my local hospital so i am scared of meeting an ex patient or even worse someone i work with. Its difficult enough being a man in a very female dominated enviroment but being a crossdresser i think would be even harder. All these fears do get me down as i love being Rebecca and would dearly love to do it more ir full time even.

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        Rebecca Jones,

        I was a bit shocked seeing your name, because it is my dead wife’s name. It brings back fond memories. Stay strong Rebecca, like my wife was, and I’d wager she’s kicking the devils butt every day she’s down there. 🙂

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      If I were to say that I don’t have any fears, that would not be honest. Meeting someone I actually know and who only knows me in my homme format does not overly scare me and might even be a relief !!! What is scaresome is the risk of being accosted by some “hodlum” who decides that a cross-dresser is in fact akin to a tart and “out for a good time”. I live most of my time in the suburbs of Paris and so far have not had any scares like that but the thought always lurks under the surface.

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      I live in a small city. It’s not tiny, but it’s not too large, so running into someone you know isn’t all that hard to do. Then there’s also  the fact that most of the people I know believe that men wearing women’s clothing is “disgusting” or “It’s sinful”..I guess I’m most afraid of losing this image of myself that I created not only for them, but also my family.

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      Ilona
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      I’m finding it easier to be dressed in public. Yesterday, I went along to an event for older LGBTs at London Friend. Despite a few women who turned up, I was the only person wearing a dress and nobody was bothered. The front door is mainly made of glass, so I sat in a corner away from the door, but I don’t know if any of the passers-by were bothered.

      I am asking people if I can wear a dress or skirt when I attend an appointment. So far, no one has refused, but I have had some negative feedback from a couple of friends, one of whom is very uncomfortable with the idea of me cross-dressing. While I would like to spend more time dressed, I realise that there are limitations and that not everybody accepts it.

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      I am a police officer, but I crossdress in my ttime off. I have stopped other crossdressers many times. I understand their fear and always compliment them for their bravery.

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      Many of the girl’s posts state that one of their fears is being stopped by the police.  I have been going out a long time. I have dealt with the police a few times over the years while dressed. The first time was the s scariest.  I think it was the first time I was returning home dressed. I made a sharp turn and skidded on some gravel. I had been at a party and had a few drinks. The officer was shocked when I handed him my drivers license.  At the time I was a police officer.  I knew if I was legally drunk   or at least impaired.  I didn’t tell him I was a police officer,  but talked to him poliently and asked how to get on the expressway.  No, I didn’t tell him I was a police officer.  This was about 1980. From then on I only had soda if I was driving.  Today most police officers have seen TG’s. My advice is be polite and truthful. I retired over 20 yrs ago.

      Terri

       

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        @Terri, I have had that happen 3 times so far.  I could swear it was a DWEF, Driving while en femme.  I had not been drinking any of those times.  The first was because I was going the wrong way up a one way alley, it wasn’t well marked.  The cop started by calling me sir, I was polite and gave him all of my paper work.  He didn’t even cite me.  The second I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.  I was sitting at a stop light and a drunk hit another car and caused it to hit me.  I tried to drive away but realized my car was too damaged and I would have to be towed.  I pulled over to the side as a lot of drivers did as it was a pretty bad accident.  I waited in my car with the windows up, it was at night.  A few people came by asked if I was okay, I would nod my head, I don’t think they figured it out.  Then a fireman showed up at my drivers window, so I had to roll it down.  He was cool and about 5 seconds into the conversation I could see he got it.  The expression on his face was priceless but he was nice and once he knew I wasn’t hurt he went away.  Then the police came up to my window.  Thank god it was a female cop, I had to get out of the car and get my paper work out again.  My nails were polished and I was in a fairly short skirt.  But the cops were nice to me and took my statement.  The third time I was just driving home from a friends house.  I saw the cop next to me at a light checking me out.  I drove fine and thought he would go away, but no he lit me up and pulled me over.  I was really dolled up that night and terribly scared that things might not go well.   After he asked me like three times if I was drinking and gave me the eye test, he let me go telling me one of my two license plate lights on the rear of the car was out.  None of it was fun, but you are right, the best thing to do is be polite and cooperate.

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      Don’t worry Rose. We all have to do that sort of thing at least once. It gives us something to look back on, years down the track, to laugh at.

      You’ll be fine.

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      The first part of the venture out of my neighborhood scares me the most; while 9 times out of 10; I’m not likely to run into anyone I know…it’s the 1 out of 10 that worries me. As I listen to those more experienced I know it’s probably not worth letting it hold me back. Kim

      This. So much this. I’m taking my first real foray out in public as Rose this coming weekend. And I’m jumping through proverbial hoops to make sure I look “normal: the 40-50 feet from my front door to my car. (I’m only jumping through proverbial hoops; I’m not limber enough for real hoop-jumping. 🙂 ) I’m sure someday I’ll look back on the Mission: Impossible levels of stealth I’m looking at taking Saturday afternoon. But for now, it’s what I need to do to comfortably get out of my neighborhood before I can fully “transform” into Rose.

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        As someone who just ventured out fully dressed for the first time in years … my biggest concern was the neighbors. We have an attached garage, so actually I didn’t have too much to worry about. Besides, we don’t really socialize with any neighbors (my wife and I are both introverts) so even if anyone saw me, no one is going to say anything to my face.

        For anyone else that may be scared … If you have a wig and makeup on … even if you do the crappiest job of makeup … no one will recognize you. Context matters. Because people aren’t expecting you to be dressed as a woman with makeup on, they won’t be looking for it.

        As for other fears, like the police or being assaulted, I guess I take basic precautions and go to mainly well populated areas and stores that are primarily for women. When driving I am hyper conscious of not speeding and obeying all traffic laws.

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          Thanks! “Dipped my toes in the water” without this today.  Got home from work early; wife was out, slipped on my high heels and ventured out to our mailbox and picked up the mail…broad daylight…didn’t see neighbors…assuming they didn’t see me either…but if they did and noticed…should I care?

          Small steps…

          Kim

           

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